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No front coupler on Lionel steamers.

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Posted by challenger3980 on Sunday, October 9, 2016 10:33 AM

Sorry, Off Topic,

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Posted by Oregon Ace on Tuesday, October 4, 2016 5:51 PM

Lionel couplers are truck-mounted to maintain alignment on relatively sharp curves. This is not easy to achieve on the front of a steam locomotive, and as already mentioned the bulky old lobster-claw couplers are unsightly on the front of a steamer.

The old postwar 0-4-0 switchers had the front couplers body-mounted on a long arm with centering springs. They cannot couple automatically on curves.

I made a front coupler for a postwar 1120 Scout loco using sheet metal to form a compact knuckle. The connecting arm dips under the pilot and pivots from the front of the motor chassis. It works well for manual coupling but has no automatic centering. It is relatively unobtrusive visually.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:24 PM

Hey, it'll be three years in December since the Classic Toy Trains big "Penny Trains" Christmas issue!  That's the one that never made it to the "Fortress Firelock" recycle bin!  Still got it, it was that good.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, October 1, 2016 6:47 PM

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December 2010 issue of OGR Magazine

Geez, was it really that long ago?  Hmm

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Posted by Kooljock1 on Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:25 PM

Mainly because the hugely over sized couplers on under sized engines would look very silly.

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Posted by LL675 on Friday, September 30, 2016 10:27 AM
I remember that article, great idea.

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Posted by Michael6268 on Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:11 PM

Im not a digital  subscriber so i have no access.   I'll tinker around and let you know how it comes out...

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Posted by dsmith on Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:55 PM

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Im going to do this finally. Can't find a link to the article/steps to do it.  I know i saw the article somewhere, maybe the ogr forum a while ago, but can't find it now.  Anyone have a link?

 

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Posted by Michael6268 on Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:25 PM

Im going to do this finally. Can't find a link to the article/steps to do it.  I know i saw the article somewhere, maybe the ogr forum a while ago, but can't find it now.  Anyone have a link?

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Posted by Michael6268 on Saturday, April 2, 2016 9:42 AM

What's weird is even on their 0-8-0 switchers offered in their starter sets, they put a pivoting dummy coupler on the front. Why not just make it operating..

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Posted by dsmith on Friday, April 1, 2016 1:34 PM

In the Lionel postwar era they did produce an 0-4-0 steam switcher engine that has an operating coupler on the front.  Look for Lionel steamers No. 1615, 1656 and 1665.

Here is a photo of my 1615.

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Posted by dsmith on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:42 PM

Here is the front coupler I made for Lionel engines that have a 2 wheel front truck.  A full contruction article on how I made this appears in the December 2010 issue of OGR magazine.

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Posted by cnw1995 on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:28 PM

Here's the only photo I could quickly find of Percy (I mean Ivor).

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Posted by cnw1995 on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:26 PM

I added a non-working coupler i took from a K-line truck to the front of Lionel's Thomas and Percy. it fit neatly between the buffers; I used CG (super-glue) and reinforced it with a small screw it into each plastic frame. Thomas' sticks out about 2 unprototypical inches and Percy's is sticks out only about an inch, but both engines are so short, it doesn't look bad. By non-working, I mean it can clip to a wagon but I have to use the 5-Fingered Switcher to do so after bringing them together. The front coupler's length allows me to push a wagon around 027 curves...

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Posted by Michael6268 on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 4:32 PM

sir james I

One of our club members made a detacthable front coupler for his steamers, it works well but doesn't look good when not coupled to another engine.

 

 

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Posted by sir james I on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:54 AM

One of our club members made a detacthable front coupler for his steamers, it works well but doesn't look good when not coupled to another engine.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:44 AM

The talk about front couplers got me thinking about saw-bys.  A quick check of the Internet uncovered instructions for getting two trains, each twice as long as the passing siding, past each other, but no longer.  It may already be known, but I have a way for two trains of unlimited length to pass.  And this is probably as good a place and time for describing it as any:

Westbound train A gets as much of itself as will fit between the switches, leaving the rest of its cars east of the east switch.  Eastbound train B goes around that front chunk of train A, which then leaves to the west and waits west of the west switch.  Train B then picks up another chunk of train A's cars, short enough to fit between the switches, and pulls it between the switches, using train B's locomotive's front coupler, then drops it there and runs around it on the other track.  Train A then backs into and couples onto the chunk and pulls it clear of the west switch.  Then train B grabs another chunk, and so on.

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Posted by Michael6268 on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:26 AM

Nice!   That's another cool thing. Lashing up multiple  steamers!  

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Posted by dsmith on Monday, March 28, 2016 11:37 PM

In the December 2010 issue of OGR Magazine, I wrote an construction article on how I added a coupler to the front of  a Lionel 2018 steam engine.  Here is a video of the coupler being used to couple two engines.  You can see the coupler close up at 3:50.

 

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Posted by Michael6268 on Monday, March 28, 2016 6:09 PM

I might try to retrofit one in the future.

It would let me switch cars from either end, and run tender first sometimes. I love steamers  running tender first...

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Posted by servoguy on Monday, March 28, 2016 1:33 PM

Dave Smith put an operating coupler on the front of a steamer by adding a strip of metal that went under the cow catcher.  

It might be possible to use a Kadee coupler which is considerably smaller than a Lionel coupler.  However, there will be a problem going around curves.  On O-31 track, the coupler on the loco and car will probably become misaligned enough so that they will uncouple or the car will be pushed off the track.  I think Dave Smith's approach worked well.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:14 AM

As far as I know Lionel steam switchers had operating couplers, but that's as far as they went.  I have to second lionelsoni's comment as to why the average Lionel steamer didn't have an operating coupler.

And remember, after all these WERE toys, not scale models.

 Honestly, I can't think of anyones steam engines (aside from switchers) that have operating front couplers, not MTH, Williams, or others.

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Posted by Michael6268 on Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:39 PM

I wouldn't care. It would make operating much more fun and realistic.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:26 PM

I think at least part of it is that Lionel couplers are much larger than scale and would probably be thought to detract from the locomotive's looks.

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No front coupler on Lionel steamers.
Posted by Michael6268 on Saturday, March 26, 2016 7:31 PM

I'm sure this has been asked a million times. But I couldn't find anything in search history.

Why doesn't Lionel offer operating front couplers on it steam engines? Is it strictly to save money / too difficult to manufacture?

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