A discussion came up on another forum with regard to the B&M 2359 (1961 vintage) and the later B&M 2346 (1965-1966). For all intents, there is no difference between the two, other than the number stamped on each one. Both come with the exact same trim, colors, etc., and why did Lionel decide to reissue the 2346 number, and not just keep the original 2359 number. Don't get into the 0, Super 0, or 027 distinction, as they are considered 0, and the sets listed under "Super 0" is nothing more than the style of track offered in a particular set. Most, but not all Postwar locos shells have a mold number inside the shell, and I would be curious if the 2346 shell had a 2359-? number as the mold number. Other locos of the same shell design, are only different with paint schemes/numbers & how it is trimmed, but you will most likely find they all derive from one basic mold number.
Another example of a single mold number is ALL of the S-2 turbines from Postwar use a shell/body mold number 671-3 (YES all of them), and are only told apart by the number stamped, or addition to the actual body, like the 682 which has a boss added to the casting for the extra oiler linkage. Open up a 682 and look inside and the shell will show the number 671-3.
Why didn't Lione just keep one number??
You basically answered your own question. Lets start with the 2359 it was a hit so a couple years later they go lets do it again but to get the ones to buy it that bought the other one we'll change the number. And hopefully increase our sales. Look at Lionel Santa-fe 2343,2353,2383 main difference numbers of motors 671,672,681,2020 same story good seller lets get more sales by putting it on a different number so they can have more than one of the same with a different number so there the same but different.
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Don't get into the 0, Super 0, or 027 distinction, as they are considered 0, and the sets listed under "Super 0" is nothing more than the style of track offered in a particular set.
There are cases where an engine was issued a particular number when it was included in a Super "O" set. #637 is one example. If you want to have a discussion, don't set arbtrary bounds on it.
Most, but not all Postwar locos shells have a mold number inside the shell, and I would be curious if the 2346 shell had a 2359-? number as the mold number.
All Postwar Geeps use the same shell, with the same mold number. 2328-5.
Look at Lionel Santa-fe 2343,2353,2383 main difference numbers of motors 671,672,681,2020 same story good seller lets get more sales by putting it on a different number so they can have more than one of the same with a different number so there the same but different.
The 2020 was designated an 027 gauge locomotive. The 671 was designated an "O" gauge locomotive. In the 1947 catalog, the 2020 is listed for seperate sale at $32.50. The 671 is $35.00. The 681 differs from the 671 in that it has magnetraction and its motor has ball bearing races. The 682 differs from the 681 in that it has the oiler linkages. I'd have to look up the differences on the Santa Fe F3's.
The 2020 was designated an 027 gauge locomotive. The 671 was designated an "O" gauge locomotive. In the 1947 catalog, the 2020 is listed for seperate sale at $32.50. The 671 is $35.00.
The 681 differs from the 671 in that it has magnetraction and its motor has ball bearing races.
The 682 differs from the 681 in that it has the oiler linkages.
I'd have to look up the differences on the Santa Fe F3's.
cwburfle Don't get into the 0, Super 0, or 027 distinction, as they are considered 0, and the sets listed under "Super 0" is nothing more than the style of track offered in a particular set. There are cases where an engine was issued a particular number when it was included in a Super "O" set. #637 is one example. If you want to have a discussion, don't set arbtrary bounds on it. Most, but not all Postwar locos shells have a mold number inside the shell, and I would be curious if the 2346 shell had a 2359-? number as the mold number. All Postwar Geeps use the same shell, with the same mold number. 2328-5.
under that the 2359 was issued in the super O set also, 2572 and I believe that was the only set it was in so was is developed for that super O set?
yes I know it also was sold as a seperate item too.
That's one theory. I don't think we really know.
rtraincollector Look at Lionel Santa-fe 2343,2353,2383 main difference numbers of motors 671,672,681,2020 same story...
Look at Lionel Santa-fe 2343,2353,2383 main difference numbers of motors 671,672,681,2020 same story...
No, different story(ies).
With the progression of the SF F3 numbers especially, each catalog number change represents obvious and significant manufacturing and feature changes.
Rob
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