You have my apology.
I only meant to plug the book, but I picked the wrong place and used the wrong words to do it.
@CWBURFLE:
I'm not into 'sets' let alone uncataloged sets.
I didn't have a clue if there was a set, let alone it being uncataloged or whatever. In fact I kinda thought it wasn't likely at all...
I looked in my books including my Doyle book.
I googled around a little.
And I finally posted on an internet forum and got a super fast answer....and I even mentioned I couldn't find it in my book. Perhaps if we all wish hard enough that everyone bought their own 'libraries' and researched enough we could get traffic way down to an acceptable level on this forum?
It's one thing to tell people to RTFM but it's another to whine about people not having specialty books on some sub-topic within some hobby - sheesh!
I got the books because years ago I saw a Boxed Illinois Central F3 set it had the cop an Hobo car 3444 in it AND the infamous "x" on the box
sadly could not buy iit
I was going to chirp in last night but backed off as didn't want to seem trying to pick at your comments but I see a lot sold close to what sets should sell for and they don't have set box and some no boxes. Also on ebay some of them go nut-so on there I've seen it just never on my stuff dang it lol
Life's hard, even harder if your stupid John Wayne
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cwburfleSet box or not, there are people who enjoy having the pieces that comprised an original Lionel set, and consider it as such. IMHO the pieces should be in similar condition, and be of the correct variation.
Count me in this category. I am in process of collecting the set combinations from 1956, the year I was born. I think it will be cool to have a wall in my train room of the sets of 56. This will only be for the coolness factor not the collectors value because I could never afford to collect the boxed sets and I want to display the trains not hoard the boxes.
Set box or not, there are people who enjoy having the pieces that comprised an original Lionel set, and consider it as such. IMHO the pieces should be in similar condition, and be of the correct variation.
I guess I mostly agree with Al's statement because the trains aren't worth a premium without the set box. But for me, train collecting isn't about money.
I posted the information on the two set numbers that his trains would have been part of. I do have the books, which were bought over time, and not all at once. Most of the books were used, but in excellent condition, and very reasonable prices. I am glad to provide the information, if someone asks a question like PGTR did. I have received some good advice, and help from this forum, just to educate myself on this hobby.
SET OR NOT A SET??????
The only "set" I had, when I decided to get back into this hobby, was my wife's 1527 set from 1955. I did have the set box, and all components, and an extra transformer (seems her father bought a KW, for more power). So I guess this constitutes a "SET!" Since resurrecting this set, I decided to try and recreate the trains I had when I was young, (MY old trains were given away to two cousins, when I became a teenager). I could only remember that the engines I had, were really heavy, compared to the 1615 switcher. After roughly 45 years, my cousin still had the trains, and contacted me, to know if I wanted them back. STUPID question, of course I wanted them back. I got my original steam engines (2020 & 2056 with tenders) and the assorted rolling stock back. Along with my trains, he threw in extra trains that his father bought over the years, and trains that came from his grandmother's attic.
One of the extra's he returned, was a set my Uncle had purchased. I found that I had all of the cars, components, associated paperwork of the X648 Uncatalogued set with the 235 loco. I don't have the SET BOX, but I have EVERYTHING, that would have been in the set, rolling stock boxes. The set box is long gone, but I am still in the hunt for it. So by Al's satement, I guess this isn't a SET. I also, replicated my wife's set, with all the cars, etc., and have 2 (1527/502) sets, and one (1549) set. The 1549 set doesn't have the SET BOX, but everything else.
This a collection of roiling stock that could have come together in a set. However, without a set box this cannot be considered a set by collectors standards. The box is everything, that's why empty set boxes command so much money today.
I understand that but putting it here I was afraid this person might of thought that I figure you meant folks that have been in hobby for a few years. I myself when I can buy some of these books do so but on a limited fixed income not always possible. you need to look at all sides of the coin also
Yes but the average person isn't going to spend $20 - $50 for a book to see if dads old trains are a set and worth keeping.
I am not thinking of any one individual in particular. There are plenty of regular posters on the boards I visit who ask this sort of question. Not a case of a person casually asking about dad's old trains.
cwburfle I wish that people who were interested in this sort of information would buy the books. The Project Roars book on uncataloged sets is one of the best books on Lionel that I have read. If people don't buy the books,. new ones will not be written!
I wish that people who were interested in this sort of information would buy the books. The Project Roars book on uncataloged sets is one of the best books on Lionel that I have read. If people don't buy the books,. new ones will not be written!
Yes but the average person isn't going to spend $20 - $50 for a book to see if dads old trains are a set and worth keeping. when just looking for one thing like this gentleman was but it might be enough to get him started where he might start liking it and then get more info and then look into his own books.
Thanks! This really helps clear things up. I've been debating letting this set go and part of my indecision came from not really knowing what it was - my books weren't producing any results.
Thanks again
What you have is most of the components, "minus 1 car" of both sets mentioned as X529NA. or X552NA. The missing car from the X529NA set would be a 3376 Giraffe Car; the missing item from the X552NA set would be a 6812 Track Maintenance Car. Otherwise, the remaining cars you have are the same in both SETS. The other components supplied in these sets are:
1015 Transformer; 12 curve, 13 straight, (1) 1008 Camtrol with 1018 straight track, 110-1 Graduated Trestle Set, 310-2 Billboard Set, instruction sheets, hook-up wires, etc.
A complete set (meaning SET BOX and associated boxes) values are:
X529NA -- C6 $445 C7 $800 C8 $1200 rarity R8 (1200 sets made for Frederick Atkins)
X552NA -- C6 $865 c7 $1225 C8 $1625 rarity R10 (only 275 sets made for Oklahoma Tire&Supply)
It appears to be Set X-552 (1960) uncatalogued set. Info came from Lionel Promotional Outfits book by John Schmid. If you need more info on all components I can give it to you.
Jerry
after checking "Authoritative guide to Lionel promotional units" it is possible you have one of two sets x529 or x552
Both list the cars you have plus additional cars and trestle sets
Book is worth a look as it turns out Lionel"threw together alot of uncataloged sets in the sixties
Even one w 6464 250 box car from Polks Hobby
And FAO had it's version of Lionel's Father son set
Hopefully this is an easy answer for someone. I was trying to decide whether to keep or sell these and in researching them - couldn't figure out if they are from a single set or not. Couldn't find them listed in a set in my Doyle book. Includes 220 Alco, 6082 gondola, 6825 flat car w girder, 6476 hopper and 6017 caboose. Curious if they were originally from a set and if so details on the set, year, etc...? The Alco AA looks to be from 60-62 era according to Doyle book.
Thanks,
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