REALLY servo guy , are you for real? Give it a break! WHO cares?
Glad to help, As for Labelle products, model RRs have been using them for years so I don't get the point of using something else.
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servoguy The word I gave was test data. 45 years of a loco sitting in a box. Oiled with Valvolene 20W-40 in 1965. It was still wet with oil when I took it out of the box last year. That is the best data you can have. I don't have 45 years of experience with Labelle products, and I am not going to run a 45 year test with them. How long have you been using Labelle products? And how long have you had a loco that was lubed with Labelle products sitting in a box?
The word I gave was test data. 45 years of a loco sitting in a box. Oiled with Valvolene 20W-40 in 1965. It was still wet with oil when I took it out of the box last year. That is the best data you can have. I don't have 45 years of experience with Labelle products, and I am not going to run a 45 year test with them.
How long have you been using Labelle products? And how long have you had a loco that was lubed with Labelle products sitting in a box?
Test data? what were your controls?
I have to guess on how long I've been using Labelle products. Probably 25 years or more. I have trains that have been sitting in boxes far longer.
Tried lubing behind intermeidate gears, helped some. Could not find 5w-20, used outboard gear lube!
Also oiled the armature. Really did the job
thanks, guys
As I said, I have a 2025 that was in the box for 45 years and the oil was not dried out. That is the test data that I use.
LOL, what was that about taking people's word?Of course we all like to share our experiences. I like Labelle products. I've been using them for a long time.
Roger, I know hobby shops sell Labelle products, and people recommend them, but do you have any test data on them? How long will the grease last before it dries out and becomes hard. I am an engineer with 48 years of experience and we engineers don't take people's word. Just because the hobby shops sell Labelle products doesn't mean they are any good. As I said, I have a 2025 that was in the box for 45 years and the oil was not dried out. That is the test data that I use.
As was mentioned here, You just need to lube the armature shaft where it goes through the brush plate a little more. A trick you might try is to put a slight amount of Labelle 106 grease on the shaft and in the hole of the brush plate before you put it back on.
Roger
I recommend you use 5W-20 motor oil rather than grease. Most greases will get hard over time as the oil in them evaporates. I have 60 years of experience with oil. I had a 2025 like yours sitting in a box for 45 years. It had been lubed with 20W-40 Valvolene and when I took it out of the box, it ran fine without any additional lube. I have dug a fair amount of hardened grease out of engines. I like the grease because it allows me to buy engines cheap because they are locked up and won't run. I think the hardened grease preserved many locos because people left them in the closet because they wouldn't run. The old Lionel Lube is miserable stuff. I find it hardened all over the wheels of the post war cars I have. It is difficult to remove.
A common problem with this motor. A SMALL drop of oil on both ends of the armature shaft should have you running quiet again.
If lubricating the gears, motor and axles does not help, then something is worn. Usually it is the armature bearing hole in the brushplate that is worn oversize. Loosen up the brushplate and check for any slop in the hole for the armature. The brushplate needs to just slide on with no slop. If that is OK, then check the opposite side armature bearing the same way. If that is OK also, then you may have a bad axle bearing.
Larry
Hi northernpike,
I had this same problem with a 1666 2-6-2. Try lubricating behind the intermediate gears, that is between the gear & the motor frame. Use Lionel gear lube. It takes a little while for the oil to work its way in. That fixed my squealing locomotive.
Just rebuilt my 2025 postwar loco. It is the early version with Baldwin drivers. Lubed to spec, rebuilt eunit, liquidsmoke, etc. Engine runs well except a very load squeal, like a bad bearing. Drivetrain spins well, no friction. Squeal seems to eminate from the back or middle drivers, but everything spins fine when I am holding loco and moving wheels. Anyone have this engine and experienced this?
Thanks
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