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Posted by Boyd on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:31 PM

Sil foam seal available at big box stores. Its exactly the same width as Fastrac. Some of it is a pale grey, others are blue. When laid under curves take a scissors and cut it from the outside and go in about 2/3rds so it can bend.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:50 PM

Seayakbill

Per Charles Ro web site

30 inch Fastrack = $10.95

37 inch Gargraves = $5.95

It was mentioned that if you ballast the price is similar, pretty expensive ballast to make up the difference for 30 inches of ballast.



Try ballasting over 1,000 feet of track... with 20+ switches. The ballast gets into the switch mechanisms and jams them. You have to be VERY, VERY careful, or you will be replacing a $60+ switch and the time to rip the switch out. Trust me... been there, done that. You may be able to ballast on the cheap but I can tell you it looks fantastic, but you have to be very, very careful! Oh, and I forgot to mention, if you 'secure' the ballast you pretty much have to scrap ALL your track if you redo the layout.

There are so many avenues you need to consider when choosing a track system - other than cost.

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Posted by Wabashbud on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:16 PM

Lionel Fast Track and MTH Real Trax both look great with Plasticville Buildings. 

 

If you want quiet, run a carpet central.

 

 

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Posted by gunrunnerjohn on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:31 AM

Of course, for things like carpet layouts or stuff that you're likely to change, using the ballast is a big PITA, something to consider. :)

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Posted by Seayakbill on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:29 AM

Per Charles Ro web site

30 inch Fastrack = $10.95

37 inch Gargraves = $5.95

It was mentioned that if you ballast the price is similar, pretty expensive ballast to make up the difference for 30 inches of ballast.

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Posted by Train-O on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:21 PM

To all, thanks for the info. regarding the tracks, turnouts, etc.

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Posted by groundhogslayer on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:12 PM

i went with gargraves for price and realistic looks. ballast can be found on a cheap budget. i think ballested gargraves beats fastrack in realism hands down

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Posted by rtraincollector on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:32 PM

RRaddict Chief and a few others in here had problems with MTH switches also some right out of the box brand new.

I've done some comparison and listing to others and when I finally get to start building my layout its going to be Gargraves. now switches I'm torn between going with Gargraves even thou have heard you need to have them flat not sure if thats still true that was a few years ago. or going with Ross which is more expensive but from what I understand is there about the best switches out there.

I've also have heard from many about the noise level with Lionel Fastrack and MTH Realtrack.

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Posted by RRaddict on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:31 PM

I have been in the MTh and Fast Track camps and while the two mentioned tracks are convienent beccause they are already ballast I've had the best luck with tubular.  It's substantially quieter without roadbed or any sort of padding at least it is on the foam board I'm using.  The problem with MTH is that their switches in my opinion are garbage others here may disagree but  I find the Lionel Fast Track and Tubualr switches are better quality.  I chose MTH over fast because there weren't any type of pins but that was a big mistake.  The other thing is remote switches bigger than 036 cost an arm and a leg and so do MTH switches.  I found that MTH get easily pitted and I didn't run fast track long enough to find out unfortunately.  I know nothing about Gargrave other than it looks nice and is priced reasonably. Tubular track is not much cheaper than the other two unless you go with 027 which sits lower.  You are definitely in the right place to gather info if I had I would be a few hundred dollars richer. These guys kjnow what they are talking about.

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Posted by SantaFe158 on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:38 PM

Train-O

If, the sound is too excessive, what would be best to use to muffle the sound, cotton, foam, or thin ceiling tile?

Ralph 

 

On a Christmas layout I have set up at the Redford Theater, we have a half inch of cotton batting stuff (not really sure what it is) under the track (fastrack).  I was real worried that the track would be too loud for that installation, but that half inch of stuff underneath really seems to help a lot.  Wasn't that loud at all, though it is in the auditorium of the theater which probably eats a lot of the sound.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:46 AM

The Command Control is built into the switch circuitry, I do not believe they sell addon kits or replacements. The only way to get CC on the old switches is to use the ASC or SC2.

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Posted by Train-O on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:18 AM

I ran my trains on FasTrack and my friend commented on how realistic the trains sounded on FasTrck.

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Posted by sir james I on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:28 AM

True the foam would be in the way but it would be easy to cut through to the connectors.

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Posted by balidas on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:53 AM

Those new command control switches, can you upgrade the switches you already have or do you need to buy the new ones?

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Posted by Demay on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:26 AM

FasTrack works well for me for a variety of reasons: durability; already ballasted; non-derailing switches; and great electrical connectivity to name a few.  If you search the forum for FasTrack you will find many threads (recent ones as well) where many pros and cons for FasTrack have been thoroughly discussed. 

But I believe a big factor more folks might want to consider FasTrack now is the new Command Controlled switches.  I haven't made that upgrade yet, but I believe that is going to simplify life when I do.

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Posted by balidas on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:16 AM

But those connectivity issues are so easily dealt with it's really not much of a concern.

lionroar88


Classic Tubular track (O27 or O31) has more of a 'fudge' factor due to the lack of rigid roadbed, but over time has connectivity issues.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:46 AM

SJ - the problem with spray in foam is you would lose the ability to access the connectors underneath. These come in handy for a number of applications.

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Posted by sir james I on Monday, December 12, 2011 10:21 PM

It's not excessive. Just louder than the old tubular type track. My thought, and I haven't tried it would be spray foam. You can buy it in the small expansion size.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 12, 2011 10:20 PM

Seayakbill

While you are researching the pros & cons of O Gauge track check out Gargraves track. Very realistic with wood ties and consideraly less expensive than Fastrack.



Not sure where people get this impression. The only way FasTrack is more expensive is if you don't ballast your track.

I went with Atlas and I can tell you it is turning out that the Atlas track is more expensive in the long run. So keep this in mind.

The rail profile IMHO is the only area that Atlas has FasTrack beat.

MTH RealTrack is no less expensive than FasTrack and it has more connectivity issues

Classic Tubular track (O27 or O31) has more of a 'fudge' factor due to the lack of rigid roadbed, but over time has connectivity issues. It is less realistic than FasTrack as well since it doesn't have proper tie spacing, and the 'ties' are far too large scalewise.

I have also found that FasTrack is no louder than any other rail system when you put a sound blocking material between the roadbed and the layout's super structure. Homasote, sound board, or even ceiling tiles will serve this purpose. The main thing to remember is NOT to use screws that pentrate through the sound blocking material to the super structure.

When I started my layout 4 years ago I had a bunch of FasTrack, so I did a bunch of tests with the sound material (I used ceiling tiles) and various track systems (FasTrack, Atlas, and Tubular) I chose Atlas simply because I was going for a more hirail look. Honestly if I had it to do over I would have stuck with FasTrack. Having the TMCC built into the switches would be enough of a reason. Not having to ballast would be another.

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Posted by Train-O on Monday, December 12, 2011 9:52 PM

If, the sound is too excessive, what would be best to use to muffle the sound, cotton, foam, or thin ceiling tile?

Ralph 

 

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Posted by SantaFe158 on Monday, December 12, 2011 5:00 PM

sir james I

the biggest complaint is the hollow base make's it louder than the old track system.

 

And price.  I've used mine for the past 5 years with no problems.

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Posted by phillyreading on Monday, December 12, 2011 4:49 PM
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Posted by lionelsoni on Monday, December 12, 2011 3:22 PM

You may not already know that 3-rail track is customarily identified by the exact diameter (not the radius) in inches of a track circle.  For tubular track, this is the approximate diameter to the outer ends of the ties, while, for Fast Track it is the exact diameter to the center rails.  O27 is also exact; but O31 is about 30 1/2 inches, which is why it is sometimes called O30.

Beware of confusing model numbers with track types.  For example, 022 and 042 turnouts have the same curvature as and are meant for use with O31 track.  The distinction between O (letter) and 0 (numeral) is not always observed.

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Posted by Seayakbill on Monday, December 12, 2011 3:21 PM

While you are researching the pros & cons of O Gauge track check out Gargraves track. Very realistic with wood ties and consideraly less expensive than Fastrack.

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Posted by sir james I on Monday, December 12, 2011 2:39 PM

All 3 rail trains will run on Fastrack. your only concern is some larger engines need wider curves than the standard 036, you can check what curve size you need on the engine box or written specs. Fastrack goes together and stays together very well, the biggest complaint is the hollow base make's it louder than the old track system.

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Posted by proffy20 on Monday, December 12, 2011 2:13 PM

I am new to  model railroading. I am trying to collect as much information as I can, so I can start purchasing trains for use on track layouts. I am using "O' gauge trains on Lionel Fastrack and wanted to know what trains ( from different trains makers) can run on this track or what track do I need to purchase that is compatable for all makes.   

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