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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 4:44 PM

The Lionel part number for those pins is supposedly 610-2948-016, although their web site doesn't admit that they exist.  It's not difficult to reshape either type of track to mate with the other type of pin, however.

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Posted by PRR Joe on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 4:16 PM
Wise young man, I believe Lionel makes connecting pins that are 027 on one end and standard O Gauge (031) on the other. Your only difficulty then is going to be shimming the 027 track up to the O Gauge level. As the needed height is 1/4" it shouldn't be too hard to do. Good luck. PRR Joe
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Posted by traindaddy1 on Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:40 AM

DOUG: Thanks for the "Heads-up".  I've used Homasote a long time but I might just take a look at the product. 

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Posted by The wise young man on Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:50 AM

 does anyone have an idea?

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Posted by The wise young man on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:46 PM

 ok I am back again this time its about a crossing, I bought this and it wont lower or come up I put it together correctly and I see how it works but it wont. does anyone know how to fix it?

 

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Posted by dougdagrump on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:48 PM

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Try: Home Depot or the local lumber store. Head for the "cull" section. Sometimes you can get a "good" deal.  If you use plywood, I think that 1/4" thick covered by Homasote board will do OK. (Only my opinion)

Another idea: (Perish the thought that I should even mention it Wink) "Dumpster Pads"  Neighborhood construction sites - ask permission - are also sources.

 

Instead of homasote I prefer a different product, from the same maker, called sound board or sound stop. Holds screws better but the best part is that it's cheaper. Believe it's a 4' x 8' compressed paper product kinda like ceiling tiles. I use it on my seasonal layouts. Thumbs Up

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Posted by The wise young man on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:30 PM

 I found that i'll make the track work. becuase 1 all the track was on sale for about a dollar each (I love k-line) and that I ordered it online so I'll just keep it.

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:49 PM

Good advice from Mr. Nelson.   If it were me, I'd go back and try for an exchange. I think, at this stage of the project, "to adjust" is just too much to do. (BUT, that is just my My 2 cents)

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Posted by lionelsoni on Monday, July 12, 2010 4:04 PM

You will also find that the track sections are larger, the curves slightly gentler, and the track 1/4 inch higher.  Any or all of this could make your layout design hard to put together.  You can spread the end of a O27 rail with a screwdriver inserted from underneath, force an O31 pin (or a 7/64-inch drill bit or punch) in, then recrimp the rail around the larger pin.  You can also shim up the O27 track to match the height of the O31.  I would take the track back and try to exchange it for O27.  Even if the store just replaced it piece-for-piece with no refund (O27 is cheaper), it would be worth it to avoid the hassle of trying to mix types of track. 

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Posted by The wise young man on Monday, July 12, 2010 2:42 PM

 ok i'm back again, I had o27 track and bought just o track, and I see now that the pins in o are very large and may not fit into o 27 track, does anyone know a way to maybe expand the holes or something? or anything

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Sunday, July 11, 2010 5:04 PM

Try: Home Depot or the local lumber store. Head for the "cull" section. Sometimes you can get a "good" deal.  If you use plywood, I think that 1/4" thick covered by Homasote board will do OK. (Only my opinion)

Another idea: (Perish the thought that I should even mention it Wink) "Dumpster Pads"  Neighborhood construction sites - ask permission - are also sources.

 

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Posted by lionelsoni on Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:56 PM

You can screw your track directly to plywood, which is what I do.  Some folks don't like the noise that this produces; others, like me, don't mind it at all.  If you're setting your plywood directly on a carpet, I would think that would go a long way toward reducing the noise.

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Posted by The wise young man on Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:24 PM

 I'm back with another question, first I am planning on a 4x6 (or 5) one now and the question is I am on a budget, and it looks like Styrofoam will set me back a $100, is their a cheaper material? or could I build everything without a base on my plywood.

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Posted by The wise young man on Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:14 AM

 Yes I'll probably use coasters.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:08 AM

traindaddy1

Hi!   So far, all great advice.  "Been there, done that!"

A question: How will you get to and store the layout? Will you just be pushing it on the floor under the bed or will you be using casters? If casters, you will have to allow for the height. You may want to consider a few of those pads that are advertised for moving furniture. Good luck with your project. Keep us updated and keep those questions coming.

Good suggestion !  These are called "Moving Men Furniture Sliders".  I have used them to move a king size bed, mattress, box spring, and all as well as fully loaded triple dressers.

http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/Movingmen.html

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:24 AM

Hi!   So far, all great advice.  "Been there, done that!"

A question: How will you get to and store the layout? Will you just be pushing it on the floor under the bed or will you be using casters? If casters, you will have to allow for the height. You may want to consider a few of those pads that are advertised for moving furniture. Good luck with your project. Keep us updated and keep those questions coming.

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Posted by dsmith on Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:59 PM

The wise young man

 8 inches but I have bed risers I will probably make because I just ordered a graduated trestle, I how to do a cross over type thing.

I am using the Lionel graduated trestle set on my layout and the problem I forsee on your 3' x 5' layout is not having enough room.  The incline requires a minimum of 8' of track to elevate high enough to crossover the track and then needs 8' on the decline.  The second difficulty with using a graduated trestle when using conventional engines is that you have to constantly manipulate the throttle, increasing power when on the incline and decreasing power on the decline.  There are ways to aleviate this problem but it will require a little bit of electrical knowledge.  Of course if you are using modern engines with automatic speed control, you won't have as much of a problem.

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Posted by Taranwanderer on Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:59 AM
You could also use a sheet of Homasote on top of your plywood--it holds tracks screws pretty well and is a major sound deadener (is that even a word?) If you can find Homasote, it's getting harder to find it, don't know if Lowes or Home Depot carry it. You can cut it to your 3'X5' size, drill pilot holes and screw it on top of your plywood, then screw your track into that. Cut it outside, it makes a mess! It's a great surface for any layout, big or small.
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Posted by The wise young man on Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:29 AM

 8 inches but I have bed risers I will probably make because I just ordered a graduated trestle, I how to do a cross over type thing.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:21 AM

dsmith

The Thortrains website has lots of intersting layout ideas for 3' x 5' that utilize 027 track.

http://www.thortrains.net/marx/3by5027a.html

http://www.thortrains.net/marx/3by5027b.html

I call the Thortrains web site Old Faithful.  You can always find all kinds of layout ideas there.

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Posted by dsmith on Friday, July 9, 2010 9:51 PM

The Thortrains website has lots of intersting layout ideas for 3' x 5' that utilize 027 track.

http://www.thortrains.net/marx/3by5027a.html

http://www.thortrains.net/marx/3by5027b.html

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Posted by The wise young man on Friday, July 9, 2010 9:43 PM

 ok that clears the rest up thank you

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Posted by dsmith on Friday, July 9, 2010 9:39 PM

I have used track clips, they clip under 2 of the ties and hold the track together.  On a small layout with track clips you can get away without fastening the track down, however  I think it would be better to forget about the track clips and screw the track down with tiny screws.  1/2" plywood, would work fine for an under the bed layout.

On small layouts I would definitely stick with 027 track and switches.  The 27" diameter curves will give you the most versatility and allow you to do the most within a tight space.   Also, pick small engines and short freight cars and most of all...have fun! 

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Posted by willpick on Friday, July 9, 2010 9:25 PM

I would not nail the track down-- I'd use #2 wood screws instead-- 1/2" long should be sufficent--

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Posted by The wise young man on Friday, July 9, 2010 9:25 PM

 ok that clears the rest up thank you

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Posted by lionelsoni on Friday, July 9, 2010 9:21 PM

Use screws, not nails, and pre-drill the holes.  I use number-4 x 1/2 inch sheet-metal screws into 3/32-inch holes.  If you're using track clips, don't.  They're for floor layouts and unnecessary for track attached to plywood.

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Posted by The wise young man on Friday, July 9, 2010 8:44 PM

 ok I just have one more question about nailing track. I tryed with o-27 track with the holes between the rails and I got it to rail level then I couldn't get it down anymore, am I doing it right? any tips, I was nailing it to wood.

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Posted by Hudson#685 on Friday, July 9, 2010 7:12 PM

The Wise Young Man,

It looks like RT handled it all. Good Luck with the project.

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Posted by The wise young man on Friday, July 9, 2010 7:01 PM

 Ok thanks for that, Looking at designs I may go to a slightly bigger size.

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