In particular, there's Marx O34, which has the O27 profile but a radius of 15.75 inches instead of 12.5, just a little more than the 14.142 inches of Lionel O31; so anything that needs O31 should run on O34. Of course, Marx hasn't been made for a long time; but it's really not hard to find in good condition.
Marx O34 turnouts are also available.
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As Rob said just because its called O27 doesn't mean thats the only radius it goes up to 72" radius if you look it can be found. if you really want to change track system look at gargaves it goes up to 138" radius so how about a 11 1/2 foot circle :) you can also combine them as they make adaptors to do so.
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aeonx33I just wonder if he is right though - if since I have only 027 - if I want to go to the larger radius stuff if it makes sense to go Fastrack over the Ogauge/031 stuff?
Have you priced FasTrack? $46.00 for a manual switch? I tend to use O-27 for my layouts and have no problems with it... all large & small eqiupment... these are all O-27, a combination of 27", 42", 54", & 72". 1121 & K-Line switches:
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but since it is older and the same question I had, I wanted to revive this a bit, especially since this was from 5years ago and the train world have developed a bit.
I have dug my old 027 set out for the kids and picked up quite a bit of cheap track. I also got a good deal on some switches on Ebay. But, as I am researching more, and have now built a 4x8 table, my local train store owner is trying to convince me to stop investing in anything 027 and slowly switch to Fastrack. (He isnt trying to sell me on it... this is a benign advise track.) His argument is that since I want to eventually buy a nice diesel engine, and with young kids getting into it, FT gives me the best overall chance to keep the kids interested. The track will accomodate the engines, the switches and track will accomdate all current and future "Action" accessories, and itll be easier to contine to build and add.
I know you can do a ton with 027, and the Ogauge track. But I sort of agree with him. I have more than enough 027 for what i need right now.
That said - I dont think I will ever get super complex in my layouts, but I could definitely see myself building larger than 4x8 layouts, and trying some cool things. I will never probably do full permanent laytouts with TONS of scenery, I am more a rolling stock, accessories, and buildings sort of guy.
I just wonder if he is right though - if since I have only 027 - if I want to go to the larger radius stuff if it makes sense to go Fastrack over the Ogauge/031 stuff?
Anonymous I've used the following track systems:O-27O-31FasTrackAtlas 21st Century NSIMHO:O-27/O-31 - Cheepest on the market, easiest to cut custom lengths, fudge-factor. It is not 'realistic' enough for hi-rail layouts. Switch machine profiles are too high. Switches are reliable. Connecting and seperating track over time causes loose connections.FasTrack - Pricey, but VERY reliable and more realistic than O-27/O-31. Track sections can be connected and seperated ALOT and they don't wear out. Custom lengths can be difficult to make. Switches are DEAD-ON EXCELLENT.Atlas - Most realistic on the market. Best track to use outdoors as it is Nickle Silver and will not rust. Ties are UV protected. Switches are vast and varied, however I do NOT like their switch controllers. When you are spending this kind of money on a switch you should not get the cheep $.02 HO controllers they include.
I've used the following track systems:O-27O-31FasTrackAtlas 21st Century NSIMHO:O-27/O-31 - Cheepest on the market, easiest to cut custom lengths, fudge-factor. It is not 'realistic' enough for hi-rail layouts. Switch machine profiles are too high. Switches are reliable. Connecting and seperating track over time causes loose connections.FasTrack - Pricey, but VERY reliable and more realistic than O-27/O-31. Track sections can be connected and seperated ALOT and they don't wear out. Custom lengths can be difficult to make. Switches are DEAD-ON EXCELLENT.Atlas - Most realistic on the market. Best track to use outdoors as it is Nickle Silver and will not rust. Ties are UV protected. Switches are vast and varied, however I do NOT like their switch controllers. When you are spending this kind of money on a switch you should not get the cheep $.02 HO controllers they include.
dougnottagrump - This is soooo true. I've created a whole fudge-factory on my benchwork...
O27 has sharper curves than O31; but the "27" refers to the diameter, not the radius, and the diameter to the ends of the ties at that. The actual radius is 12.5 inches. Likewise, the diameter of O31 is about 30.5 inches to the ends of the ties, while the radius is 14.142 inches. Fast Track diameter is measured to the center rail, not the ends of the ties; so the radius of O36 Fast Track is 18 inches.
I like using that Celotex too.
Personally I am a fan of Fasttrack, primarily because of it's ease of assembly by youngsters and if you are a carpet runner momma's carpet stays nice and clean. It's biggest drawbacks are the high cost and it can be a little noisey.
The bad part of tubular, either O or 027, is if it is new it will chew the hands up really bad during assembly. I have taken to wearing leather gloves and using LGB conductive grease to help make it easier. It can also be noisey unless an underlayment is used between track and subroadbed, I use a Celotex product, not Homasote, on the seasonal layout and it works great. It's greatest asset is it's pricing and "fudgefactor" during assembly.
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The difference between 0 & 027 is the height. 0 is taller with taller ties and rails.The smallest radius for 027 is 27", the smallest radius for 0 is 31".
I believe the track my Dad has was just O track. Not sure what the difference is between O and O27. I know they are both tubular.
I have no problem going with O27 if my dads engines and cars will still work with it.
I will be mouting it to a 4 x 8 plywood so it will remain. I really do not want to go with Fast Track with all the emails I have received about it. Everyone so far has had the same to say about O and O27 is that it is cheaper, more durable and more versatile.
So my question is still that will the current engines and cars my father had on his O track work on the O27 track or is the track a different width/spacing than O?
I have no experience with Fast Track so I coudn't help you there.
balidasIf you're looking to replicate what you had with your dad with your son, then go with tubular. I grew up with 027 tubular track and that's what I'll be introducing my grandson to.....
How do Fast Track and tubular O-27 compare as far as durability?
A couple of years ago I bought a Lionel set for my young grandson. It came with Fast Track, and I'll admit that I didn't do my homework and even ask if that was what I ought to get him or not. Right now it's not an issue. He's too young to use the trains by himself, so they only get set up or taken down a couple of times a year when his parents set them up or when I visit. But in a couple of years he'll be getting close to playing with them himself.
I remember the Lionel stuff I had as a kid. That tubular track was pretty indestructable, even after all the abuse that I and my friends put it through. An occasional loose pin was about all it seem to suffer. But I'm a bit concerned that if a kid starts giving the Fast Track a lot of assembly/disassembly whether the plastic clips will hold up well or not.
Any opinions on this? I'm not so far into buying the little guy track that I can't switch and start buying the tubular O-27. I also think it would give him a bit more flexibility in layout options on his 4x8 table. With the Fast Track I pretty well fill that up with a figure 8.
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Will the engines and other cars I already have that were originally on the O track work on O27?
I would say O27, in a heartbeat. Dirt cheap. More money for trains. It's also available in several larger radii, so you can run that long equipment you bought with the money you saved.
RockIsland52 I am am going to try servoguy's recommendation of slightly bending the outer rails of the tubular outward versus the slight crimping method of the female openings that Lionel suggests, a recommendation that has to be repeated during many of the track assembly/disassembly events. Jack
Jack
That is a good idea that I have noted myself, but I would think more important is to do this to the middle rail also, since that is your power supply.
traindaddy1 Chris77504: to the Forum. A lot of great advice from the guys. Allow me to mention one more thing to keep in mind......"Cost" Fastrack is more expensive that tubular. Take your time and don't be shy. (Ask questions) Keep us updated. Wish you all the best.
Chris77504: to the Forum. A lot of great advice from the guys.
Allow me to mention one more thing to keep in mind......"Cost" Fastrack is more expensive that tubular.
Take your time and don't be shy. (Ask questions) Keep us updated. Wish you all the best.
Traindaddy..........."more expensive" is an understatement!!!!!! Many moons ago when I first strolled into my local train shop to pick up some extra tubular I glanced at the Fastrac out of curiosity. I thought the FT was mismarked!!!!! Nonetheless, I walked out with enough for the Christmas layout. It does have some features I like, such as the ties and the roadbed. The track interlocking feature too.
In applications where screwing down the track was not practical, I have wearied of "loose track syndrome" and "bad connection" syndrome. I have a lot of the Lionel track locks.
I am am going to try servoguy's recommendation of slightly bending the outer rails of the tubular outward versus the slight crimping method of the female openings that Lionel suggests, a recommendation that has to be repeated during many of the track assembly/disassembly events.
The FT switches are pricey too.
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Just be careful if you plan on running postwar Lionel equipment. The accessory shoes tend to get caught in the switches. Gargraves has this problem. I don't know about the fastrack.
I like to use O gauge tubular track or 027 track for areas when a smaller radius curve is needed. Tubular track is easier for me to work with, as I don't have to buy a custom piece whenever I need a small section of track to fit into place. There are several comanies that currently make tubular track or sell tubular track, such as; Atlas, Lionel, MTH, Williams, Gargraves & Ross. K-Line, Marx and Ives used to make O gauge or 027 track and switches.
Lionel made a very realistic track many years ago called T rail, it needed screws and miniture fishplates to be put together. Maybe it was too time consuming or was ahead of its time. Also Lionel made something called Super O track, maybe they tried to copy Gargraves years ago in the late 1950's. The reason I mention all these types of track is so that you know that there have been several types of O gauge track made thru the years since the 1930's. Also another company(don't know their name) made Flexi-track or flexible track, you could bend it two differant ways; curved or uphill.
Fastrac & Realtrax have the same drawbacks when it comes to custom track design, you have to buy special fitter pieces & the price is the same as a large section of Fastrac or Realtrax.
Pricewise O gauge tubular is much cheaper to buy than Fastrac or Realtrax. My personal choice is O gauge tubular with Gargraves switches.
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If you're looking to replicate what you had with your dad with your son, then go with tubular. I grew up with 027 tubular track and that's what I'll be introducing my grandson to, even tho I have a fair amount of Atlas O.
Answering questions like "which one is best" is hard to do as there is no best track out there. There is only what is best for you. There are many different types and styles of track out there. In order to figure out which one is best for you, you need to ask yourself what you want out of a layout. Do you just want to watch some trains run around on the carpet? Do you want a temporary layout? Do you want realism and detail? What kind of budget do you have? The questions go on and on but these are important to know in order to determine what works well for you.
In terms of Lionel track, you have 3 current options. I say current as they have had a couple of old track systems in the past that are no longer made. The 2 options are the traditional style tubular track that has already been mentioned. They are typically referred to as O and O27. Their other track is Fast Track and has the roadbed molded it.
MTH makes 2 track options. One is called Real Trax and is their version of Fast Track. They also make a track that is aimed at the person who wants a more realistic appearing track that is used more for custom systems called Scale Trax. Many refer to this as the most realistic appearing 3 rail track but that is quite debatable.
Atlas makes a 3 rail line of track as well and again many others consider it to be realistic 3 rail. This line probably has the most variety of switches. They also have a lower line called their Industrial line that has a track that is similar to Fast Track but it isn't as readily available outside of their train sets.
You also have a couple of other track types that are popular for custom layouts that aim towards realism. Gargraves and Ross are the two that come to mind.
Your last option requires time and effort and isn't for the beginner and it is hand laying your own track. This allows you the freedom to detail as finely as you desire including accurate tie plates and spike with varying tie spacings and even different rail sizes. You can also go inside or outside 3rd rail. This is very time consuming and not for the faint of heart. It is very rare to find hand laid 3 rail track although not completely unheard of.
There are lots of options out there and all can be quite nice. Although my personal goals are very different than most people, one cheap and rewarding track style that I like is combining hand laying with O27 track. I even had a thread on it a few months back. You start with ordinary O27 track although standard O track would be fine too. You just add wood ties and spike them down. Many people have done this in various ways from just adding a few wood strips between the existing steel "ties" to laying scale size stained wood ties with even spacing along with the removal of the standard metal "ties" and then spiking them in place and painting and weathering the rails. Although time consuming, you start with what is probably the cheapest track system and then just detail as desired. You don't need to remove track or start over. Just upgrade at your own pace. This is a nice compromise for someone on a budget who really just wants to start running trains quickly. As your interest expands, so can your track. The results are actually pretty nice.
Do some homework and decide what you want out of a layout and what your long term plans are. That alone should help you choose the best track system for you.
I'll add a few more things as a whole tublar track is quiter than fastrack. ( the blastic base causes this. there is a lot of track out there one reply mentioned atlas a ver nice track but a little pricey, you also have Gargraves which I plan to use on part of my layout I plan to build (tublar will be the rest of it.)
One of the best part of tublar over fastrack is you can cut to size easy. Now some have claimed to cut fastrack but not sure how easy it would be and do correctly seeing the ends are at different legnths instead of straigh across
If you intend to keep the layout design simple, by all means, go with the Fastrack, the stuff is beautiful.
If you want to get fancy with your track plan, with lots of curves and grades, go with the tubular. More foregiving when measurements are off.
Bob,
I currently have all O track (tons of it) but my father did not store it well and it rusted and oxidized quite alot. So most of the TIN is gone on the track so I have to replace it. I will be heading to the hobby store this week to get some ideas of track layout to decide how much I will need to buy.
I have very fond memories of when I was a small child of watching the train with my father and I want to do the same for my 3 1/2 year old.
Chris,
For a good pictorial representation of various gauge tracks, go to either Lionel or MTH's website and look at one of their catalogs. In the introductory pages you will find some graphics.
Don
Chris77504 Also will the same trains that operate on the O track work on the Fast Track etc?
Also will the same trains that operate on the O track work on the Fast Track etc?
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