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overall DMU, Mine is grey but sometime during it's life, it was dropped and one of the side ladders that leads to the dome was broken off. So I am afraid it's value isn't that great now. The paint on the rest of the cars is in really good shape.The paint jobs are not scratched very much at all. I will treat it with care as long as I have it. Thanks for all the good information, George
DMU,
Mine is grey but sometime during it's life, it was dropped and one of the side ladders that leads to the dome was broken off. So I am afraid it's value isn't that great now. The paint on the rest of the cars is in really good shape.The paint jobs are not scratched very much at all. I will treat it with care as long as I have it.
Thanks for all the good information,
George
Tank car problems: cracked, broken or warped frame (cat walk), missing ladders and hand rails. Replacement parts are best found at a Train Shows, a well scratched silver tank car with a good frame and ladder could be had for $20 or less. The 2755 should be stamped on the bottom of the frame.
Don U. TCA 73-5735
Zephyrx DMUinCT In fact you are looking at Lionel Train Set #843W cataloged in 1941. List Price $23.74 224, 2224W, 2812X, 2755, 3651, 2757, 8 sections OC curved track,3 sections OS straight track, 1 RCS remote track unit, 1 UTC connector, 1 #167 Whistle controller. DMU - I like your info & you seem to have access to great info on prewar stuff, so I ask you about this "detail" concerning my 224 steamer "set" (see previous post on this thread by Zephryx). My tender OB box is labeled as "No. 265 W, TENDER WITH WHISTLE, FOR "O" GAUGE TRACK" on the side flap of the box. Underneath the tender is stamped "02655W". Any thoughts on that would be appreciated! Thanks!
DMUinCT In fact you are looking at Lionel Train Set #843W cataloged in 1941. List Price $23.74 224, 2224W, 2812X, 2755, 3651, 2757, 8 sections OC curved track,3 sections OS straight track, 1 RCS remote track unit, 1 UTC connector, 1 #167 Whistle controller.
In fact you are looking at Lionel Train Set #843W cataloged in 1941. List Price $23.74
224, 2224W, 2812X, 2755, 3651, 2757, 8 sections OC curved track,3 sections OS straight track, 1 RCS remote track unit, 1 UTC connector, 1 #167 Whistle controller.
DMU - I like your info & you seem to have access to great info on prewar stuff, so I ask you about this "detail" concerning my 224 steamer "set" (see previous post on this thread by Zephryx). My tender OB box is labeled as "No. 265 W, TENDER WITH WHISTLE, FOR "O" GAUGE TRACK" on the side flap of the box. Underneath the tender is stamped "02655W". Any thoughts on that would be appreciated! Thanks!
That's a good one, I have all the Lionel Catalogs (or reproductions) from 1902 to 1954 as well as the TCA books on pre-war (WW II) Lionel. O2655W ????? The 265W box is for a black or gray, boxed shaped sheet metal tender from 1936 to 1938 and uncataloged 1939 to 1940. The right tender for the set is a black, with a detailed coal load on top and made from a plastic called Bakerlite. The true tender number I would expect to be rubber stamped on the bottom and would be 2224W or 2224WX. Do you have a box shaped black tin tender with a "waffle" stamped top?
Lionel never through anything away, they re-stamped boxes, changed car colors, substituted items to ship the old stock. This was very true as production turned to the war effort. It was illegal to make toys from metal from 1942 to 1945.
This is one of my hobbies, the collecting of old toy trains and I have been a member of the Train Collectors Association (TCA) for 36 years. My collection is centered on the 1930s.
One more thing George, IF the paint is good with few scratches, IF there is no rust, IF the decals on the tank car are good (few or no chips) ---- you are looking at a set with a collector value $350.
The 2755 tank car is shown in black in the catalog, not known to exist. Normally it's in Silver. If it's in Gray, treat it like gold, very scarce.
Don,
Thanks for the aditional information on the set. This was probably some boy's christmas present from 1941. My parents found it at the Nashville Flea Market in about 1980 I think. I am going to use it for a christmas tree train at my house this year.
overall I don't know for a fact that it was a set. It all came together. You would need to look in a Lionel catalog to know for sure. Incidently, that 224 is one of the best runners I have. It is very smooth running and a decent puller. Usually Lionel put a box car of some sort in their sets. If this set is complete, then that would be a little bit of a departure for them. George
I don't know for a fact that it was a set. It all came together. You would need to look in a Lionel catalog to know for sure. Incidently, that 224 is one of the best runners I have. It is very smooth running and a decent puller. Usually Lionel put a box car of some sort in their sets. If this set is complete, then that would be a little bit of a departure for them.
overall I have a 1941 vintage O gauge train set. It consists of a 224 steam engine and tender, a metal gondola, a single dome sunoco tank car, a log dump car and an all metal Pennsylvania caboose.All the cars have what I think is called a box latch coupler. Some of the boxes, the upper flap part, are gone. Also, some of the hook latches are gone. Strangely enough, the train can still be coupled together, but only in a certain order. Can I still get parts for these couplers and is it real hard to repair them. I have never attempted this one before. Thanks in advance, George
I have a 1941 vintage O gauge train set. It consists of a 224 steam engine and tender, a metal gondola, a single dome sunoco tank car, a log dump car and an all metal Pennsylvania caboose.All the cars have what I think is called a box latch coupler. Some of the boxes, the upper flap part, are gone. Also, some of the hook latches are gone. Strangely enough, the train can still be coupled together, but only in a certain order. Can I still get parts for these couplers and is it real hard to repair them. I have never attempted this one before. Thanks in advance,
Google or Bing "Train Parts". Nearly all parts dealers carry replacement parts for pre-war "Box Couplers". 1936-1941
Two lengths of "Hooks", they can be staked in place with hammer and chisel. Two styles of "Hoods", the early have two lines cast into the top, newer ones have a simulated coupler cast into the top. Two lenghts of "Flapper" were used for the bottom of the "Hood", long for early type, short for the later production. The "Flapper" slides into the groves cast into the "Hood", can be held in place by crimping the botton of the grove as was done originally or simply "Superglue" it, the box must be free to piviot (flip up).
WOW did you push a button with me! I have those same items & they were part of our family Christmas layouts, for what seems like forever (I am 62). I always wondered about the rolling stock -orange gondola (#2812) , Sunoco single tanker (#2755), operating log dump car (#3651), & illuminated brown PRR caboose (#2757). What is so interesting to me is that you list the log car as part of a "set". I have the OBs (no set box) & assumed that the log car was something that my Dad added on to the others. THANKS for sharing that! Also, you can find the whole (original) trucks + coupler at many train shows.
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