I once wrote Gargraves about the possiblity of making a 45 degree cross over where O crossed over Standard gauge but never heard back from them I was thinking as the one could cross over the other to get to a switching yard.
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mdainsdJFB2 I am looking for information on layouts which have both standard gauge & o gauge track on the same layout. I have both gauges in my collection & would like to be able to run them on the same layout. Any info would be appreciated Im looking for the same information. I have heard of five rail track that will accommodate both gauges, but I dont know who makes it. What I havent heard of is five rail switches...
JFB2 I am looking for information on layouts which have both standard gauge & o gauge track on the same layout. I have both gauges in my collection & would like to be able to run them on the same layout. Any info would be appreciated
I am looking for information on layouts which have both standard gauge & o gauge track on the same layout.
I have both gauges in my collection & would like to be able to run them on the same layout.
Any info would be appreciated
mdainsd,
I actually saw some of that 5 Rail track at a train show in March. I had to stop and look at it, according to the seller it is intended to be used as repair shop test track. the 5 rails are arranged in such a way that it covers pretty much every scale from N to either Gauge #1 or Standard Gauge I don't recall which, in the same bench space as the largest gauge. It was intended to space workbench space by not having half a dozen seperate test tracks. It looked to me though like it would be more of a confusing nightmare, trying to figure out how to wire it, and then remember which set of rails fit which gauge. It was an interesting, if not commercially successful idea. I don't think that you will find any turnouts for it though.
Doug
May your flanges always stay BETWEEN the rails
JFB2I am looking for information on layouts which have both standard gauge & o gauge track on the same layout. I have both gauges in my collection & would like to be able to run them on the same layout. Any info would be appreciated
Hi Runtime,
The cab-forward with the all white background is a stock photo, and the only one pictured, that is not in my collection(yet) it is a Brass O-Gauge model by 3rd Rail, a part of Sunset models. I included it, because it is a Standard O size articulated that will run on 054 curves. It is also on my "I'm gonna get me one of those some day"list.
The JLC 2-8-8-2 (#3590) is a model of a C&O H7 class. Union Pacific bought 30 of the "Simple Simons" from the C&O during World War 2. Lionel also did it in a C&O version. Although I don't have one, Lionel also did a Beautiful model of the B&O EM-1 "Big Emmas" as well and they have also done the C&O H8 Allegheny and the N&W Class A 2-6-6-4 too. OH, and don't even look at the new Lionel catalog, it has a new "Vision" line Pennsy 0-8-8-0 with new features that You wont believe.(Steam comes out of the whistle and Blow down) So, I can't promise anything regarding your savings acct. But Southern Pacific is the only roadname in the cab-forwards, you're safe there.
My plan at present is to make a round the room layout (shelf) right above the doors and windows for the Standard gauge and then my O gauge layout down at about 3' takeing up the whole room. (all excapt about 3'x4' at the doors ( entry and closet) as you enter the room.
JFB2:
The usual approach to thw gauges on the same layour would be to have the larger gauge run in the foreground and the smaller in the background, giving a forced depth perspective, if you have the room.
I also remember seeing some dual gauge track, on some track mfgrs web site or in their catalogue. Problem is, I don't remember if it was O/HO dual or Std/O dual. So I recommend browsing the track mfgrs sites if that would interest you.
Doug:
Great pic of that cab forward. How did you manage the all white background and foreground?
And since I'm partial to East coast and Midwest roadnames, please tell me that Lionel only made all these great looking steamers in West coast nameplates, thereby protecting my savings account.
I have other thoughts about cab forwards, but I'll throw them out on a new thread.
RT,
Thank You for the pics. I don't have any Standard Gauge(yet) but I am some what familiar with it. I may well end up getting some in the future.
Ralph,
With Lionel discontinuing Standard Gauge in 1939/40 there are many people who are not familiar with it, I didn't know if you were or not. This very topic has come up before. There aren't many resources though, because most books cover building layouts in just one scale(whichever one happens to be the subject in that source) mixed scale layouts are built occaisionally, but there are few published track plans for them. One will see them(layout pics) in CTT from time to time, but that is about as far as it goes for general publishing. Most mixed scale layouts will not have the tracks cross at grade, because that type of crossing is not commercially available, and would be rather challenging to scratch build.
As, I posted to Doug, I forgot about the Standard Gauge, as opposed to 1:48 Scale.
Thank you for the pictures, which I now see the difference between the Gauge and equipment sizes.
When I posted to JFB2, I thought he meant only the 1 1/8" gauge different sizes of motive power and rolling stock equipment of Standard-O Scale, O-Gauge and O-27 Gauge being mixed together and used on the same 1 1/8" gauge width track.
Thank You,
Ralph
Doug,
You're right, I forgot that Standard Gauge is larger and different from Standard-O Scale, O-Gauge and O-27 Gauge.
I thought that JFB2 meant Standard-O Scale and O-Gauge, my mistake.
Thanks Again,
Doug here a little help. I took pics of standard track with my 338 Observation car on it and O27 track with a auto loader on it
here you go this should help explain it better
Hi Ralph,
I didn't really clarify the difference between STANDARD GAUGE and STANDARD O trains. Standard Gauge trains run on track that is 2 1/8" gauge, as opposed to O-Gauge Trains(027, Traditional O, Standard O) which run track that is 1 1/8" gauge. Standard Gauge was also a 3 Rail type track. Lionel produced Standard Gauge early in it's history, before they started producing O-Gauge trains, production overlapped with both being produced for many years. Lionel stopped producing Standard Gauge trains in about 1939. In 1990 IIRC, Lionel reintroduced Standard Gauge in what I believe they called their "Traditions" line, and Standard Gauge is still available today, but is a very small niche market.
Sorry, my mistake, O-Gauge runs on 1 1/4" gauge track, not 1 1/8" gauge track. It's too early on a Saturday Morning.
Thank you for clearing up the difference between the two sizes and which would negotiate sharper curves better.
I don't have any Standard-O engines to actually know which can and cannot negotiate sharp curves.
I think that the original poster was asking about a dual gauge layout with O-Gauge, and Standard Gauge trains, which are larger than O-Gauge. In standard O-Gauge most cars and locomotives other than the articulateds will handle curves less than 072. With the exception of the articulateds, all these pictured below will operate on 054 or smaller curves, the 2-8-0s, the 4-4-2 and the 4-6-0 Camelback, will all run on 031 curves. even the 18" passenger cars and the SP 4-6-6-2 cab-forward below will all run on 054 curves. Standard O refers to the size, meaning that they are near scale proportions, not undersize like 027 and Traditional O. There are times that O-Gauge gets almost as confusing as Large Scale, which some incorrectly refer to all as "G" scale.
JFB2,
If you're asking about Standard O Scale and O Gauge the sizes and weights of the Standard O are larger, more to scale size and would mostly weigh more than the O Gauge.
They sometims can be mixed run, and sometimes can't. The important thing is the curves cannot be no less than O-72" in diameter for the Standard O cars to negotiate, as well. as any structures the cars may have to go through. Clearances have to be taken into consideration, especially with the size of the Standard O car's length, width and height.
Other more expeirenced forum members will also give you information of other subjects and topics, which I may have not mentioned here.
Good Luck,
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