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MTH Streetcars and Lionel "Superstreets"

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Posted by phillyreading on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 3:59 PM

The K-Line handcar sets will run on Super Streets with the first unit only, attach the trailing car of the handcar set and it derails on the curves.

Using Super Streets for a straight track will work with a motorized unit that has reversing ability. Use a two and a half inch straight track with center pins removed to get the unit to cycle to nuetral then run it in reverse. You will have to power the small section of track underneath for the center rail to get power to be able to reverse the unit.

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Posted by EdxL on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 9:02 AM

Correction and further info about what will run on Superstreets:

The MTH double truck Brill trolley DOES NOT TURN on the D16 curves.   When I tested,  it seemed to go around but 2 wheels of the second truck came out of rails and dragged around the curve.  They went back into the rails on the straight track.  

I like to test many items on Superstreets.   Almost any freight car and shorter passengers cars will turn on both curves,  but  may not when COUPLED TOGETHER especially on the D16 curves.    The couplers don't swing enough.   On the D16 curves the cars are actually at right angles to one another.

I also tried the Williams GG1 (semi-scale).    It turns on the D21.   Of course it  looks awful and it can't  be coupled to anything.

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Posted by phillyreading on Friday, October 22, 2010 2:18 PM

I have tried running other stuff on Super Streets, but with little or no success. Some smaller handcar sets may work, the K-Line Plymouth switcher set will work. With Super Streets to open up the curves a little with the D-21 curves you can put a 2.5 inch section of curve to curve straight in between two curved pieces.

Also for a good size Super Street layout you will need at least two sets of power hook-up wires, my upper level has a 2 by 4 foot Super Street track.

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Posted by Bob Keller on Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:46 AM

I ran the Peter Witt both clockwise and counter-clockwise on the D-16 track (forward direction only). Counter-clockwise it walked off the rails, Clockwise it simply wedged and stopped. Let me note the instructions from Bachmann advise 21 or wider curves.

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Posted by rtraincollector on Saturday, October 16, 2010 10:32 PM

EdxL

I have tested MTH,  Williams, and Industrail Rail "O" guage trolleys on SuperStreets with these results:

1 - MTH PCCs and double truck Brills will turn on both D16 and D21 track even without the staight to curve transition track.

 

2 - Williams Peter Witt will turn running forward on both D16 and D21 without transition track.  Running

backwards it may derail on D16.  ( I think because the motor resides in the rear truck.)

 

3 - Industrial Rail trolleys will turn on D21, but not D16.  They can be made to turn on D16 by severing

a screw which restricts the turning motion of the truck.  (Removing the screw by dis-assembly

involves too much work.)

 

According to Bob kellers report on the williams Peter witt troley

I tried to run the trolley through K-Line SuperStreets no. D-16 curves (remembering that the instructions said it would not run on this tight a curve) and the trolley did indeed hang up.

Running on the D-21 SuperStreets curves, however, was fine.

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Posted by EdxL on Saturday, October 16, 2010 12:02 PM

I have tested MTH,  Williams, and Industrail Rail "O" guage trolleys on SuperStreets with these results:

1 - MTH PCCs and double truck Brills will turn on both D16 and D21 track even without the staight to curve transition track.

 

2 - Williams Peter Witt will turn running forward on both D16 and D21 without transition track.  Running

backwards it may derail on D16.  ( I think because the motor resides in the rear truck.)

 

3 - Industrial Rail trolleys will turn on D21, but not D16.  They can be made to turn on D16 by severing

a screw which restricts the turning motion of the truck.  (Removing the screw by dis-assembly

involves too much work.)

 

 

 

 

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Posted by phillyreading on Monday, April 6, 2009 10:25 AM

I have an MTH trolley and it works very well on K-Line Super Streets(even though Lionel bought out K-Line it is still called Super Streets by K-Line), the trolley is the Septa # 2165 by MTH nad it has no problems with D-16 curves in Super Streets.

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Posted by Roger Bielen on Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:01 AM

One of the guys in the club has tried it with the PCC units without success.  He had to use O27 tubular.

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Posted by marmelmm on Saturday, April 4, 2009 6:11 PM

BILLBOBBOY1

I have an Atlas two truck trolley that runs fine on 21" SuperStreet curves.

 

H'm.  Musta been the 16" curves that gave my IR car fits, then. 

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Posted by BILLBOBBOY1 on Saturday, April 4, 2009 1:12 PM

I have an Atlas two truck trolley that runs fine on 21" SuperStreet curves.  But it won't fit in a K-line trolley barn.

 

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Posted by marmelmm on Saturday, April 4, 2009 12:42 PM

 Based on my own experiments with a stock Industrial Rail Brill at the 2007 East Penn meet, I'm going to venture a guess that the MTH double-truck Brill and PCC will not work on the D16 or D21 Superstreet curves.  Sorry.  The single truck "bump and go" cars should work fine.

Another possibility you may wish to try is an Atlas/IR Brill with the retaining screws removed from the trucks.  With those removed, the trucks may pivot sufficiently to permit a tighter turning radius. 

Good luck and have fun!

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Posted by Trolley Man on Saturday, April 4, 2009 10:41 AM

I am talking about the recent MTH PCC trolleys that are about 12 inches long, 3 inches high and about 2 inches wide.  They are painted for several cities.  They have double trucks and are really detailed except for the trolley pole.  They come with our without sound.  They cost over $200 with sound.  They also sold a double truck Brill trolley. 

K-line has a template on their website with curved track.  I glued several of them together and set one of my trolleys on it.  It appears they could negotiate the 21 inch diameter curves but before I buy any Superstreets I wondered if anyone else had successfully tried to get it to work.

 

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Posted by cnw1995 on Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:59 PM

Don't worry, RT, if it is the same review I'm thinking about, it was in CTT. I'll bet the longer trolleys or PCC cars might have some trouble - as compared with the K-Line cars or vans - or the Birney types which would work.

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Posted by rtraincollector on Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:07 PM

I may be wrong but are you talking about trolleys or the car ( autos) that MTH made years ago. if your talking about the auto type there was a series that either ctt did or heaven forbid and please forgive me sayiny this OGR did that they did a test witht he original superstreet track when K-Line first mentioned it and they ran the VW and another from mth and they also did some trolleys like atlas, I believe mth and lionel on it and they all did fine.

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MTH Streetcars and Lionel "Superstreets"
Posted by Trolley Man on Thursday, April 2, 2009 1:37 PM

I was wondering if MTH streetcars could be run on Lionel "Superstreets"or has anyone tried it?  I have a city scene and street trackage would look more realistic than Supertrack which looks like railroad track.  It appears that the diameter would be about 21 inches.  I have e-mailed K-line but they won't answer.  MTH didn't understand my question.

 

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