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Postwar vs. prewar #97 coal loader

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Postwar vs. prewar #97 coal loader
Posted by dmestan on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:58 PM

How can I tell the difference bewteen postwar and prewar versions?  Assuming similar condition, is one more reliable than the other?

thx, Don

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Posted by dmestan on Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:07 AM

Does anyone have info on this?

thx, don

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Posted by cnw1995 on Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:55 AM

 Don, use your favorite search engine to search on the phrase #97 coal elevator - I've always wanted a #96 coal elevator - the manual one -- see http://www.lots-trains.org/html/97_coal_elevator.html for example.

Doug Murphy 'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...' Henry V.

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Posted by Chris F on Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:15 AM

Don, waiting four days for a reply indicates you are more patient than I am!

 My references indicate the '38-'42 and '46-'50 #97's were identical, except the '42 conveyer frames were painted gray instead of aluminum (war shortage).

As with other Lionel items that originated prior to 1942, there are few (if any) parts lists and exploded-view diagrams.  However, Olsen's Trains (http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/searchcd1.htm ) has a parts list for postwar #97's, and a diagram with parts list for pre-war #97's.  You could do a part-by-part comparison to see if there are any differences.

I suspect reliability will have more to do with the condition of the accessory itself rather than the year it was manufactured.

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Posted by ivesboy on Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:12 AM

The two accesories are identical. The postwar ones probably used a mix of new and leftover parts. Reliability would be in the condition and how well the piece was maintained. DOnt be afraid to buy a beater and repair it. They are noisy and messy, but are definatley impressive.

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Posted by dmestan on Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:31 AM

Thanks all for the replies!

 Don

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Posted by davidwebb on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:02 AM

I have a #97 coal elevator - no controller and no mechanism under the base. Otherwise seems complete. Is it feasible to get it working again?

David

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Posted by ivesboy on Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:23 PM

Is it missing the motor,or the solenoid to tip the bucket? Also is it a manual model? Lionel did make a manual version in the prewar years.

I'm sure Jeff at ttender.com could provide you with the parts to get it up and running. He is amazing in the knowledge department, and one of the most courteous vendors in the hobby.

Enjoy. He sells repro controllers cheap also. 

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Posted by davidwebb on Friday, November 28, 2008 4:49 AM

The piston  for the scoop is there. Underneath, all there is - a driving shaft for the chain with a brass gear on it.  There is a picture of the underside on a Ebay listing. Seems to be a lot of mechanism under there.

I could put a handle on the drive shaft and work it manually.

I looked at ttender.com - lots of parts listed. Not sure what I am  missing. Never seen the thing in the flesh. Mine is probably the only one in England.

David

 

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Posted by SPFan on Friday, November 28, 2008 7:15 PM
davidwebb

I have a #97 coal elevator - no controller and no mechanism under the base. Otherwise seems complete. Is it feasible to get it working again?

David

Are there terminals on both sides of the elevator or only one side? If one pair on only one side you might have a #96. Pete
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Posted by davidwebb on Monday, December 1, 2008 8:20 AM

Yes, terminals on both sides.

David

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