Pre War American Flyer Pictures - An Invitation

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 8:07 PM

Yes, that would be a 1928 or 1929 Oriental set.  There is an extra coach with your set, as it normally would have come with the engine, a baggage, coach, and observation.  

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Posted by bearestir on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 6:06 PM

Is this a 1928 or 29 "Oriental Limited" set?   The extra locomotive box is apparently tied to some paper found in the set box where the owner ordered an AF locomotive from Ward's in 1930.    The locomotive was not in the box (unfortunately). 

 

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:16 PM

I would guess you are correct in that the red wheel version has a later cab on it.  I say this simply because the red wheel version is identified as being from 1914, which is the earliest year of this locomotive.  There would be no overlap in the first year of production to a later design that came out a number of years later.

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Posted by overlandflyer on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:10 AM

here are the three locomotives i have.  i am suspicious that the 6-spoke red wheel motor may be in a later (roof vent) casting, but the other two look legitimate.  Schuweiler lists the ventilator roof casting as appearing with 10-spoke wheels, but i tend to believe there may have been some overlap with the 8-spoke wheel motors into the late casting.  it does have the more conventional, later Flyer motor design.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:31 AM

overlandflyer

yes, the No. 15 locomotives... here are both motors.

ever seen a key?  luckily it seems to be a fairly standard size.  a Marx key i have works.

 

The 1 with the red wheels is from 1914 and the one with the black wheels is from 1915.

If you look at the wheels, you will find they are cast iron wheels that have been machined.  

They are relatively rare motors, simply because production numbers were lower in that era and because of the passage of time.  

You have the castings?

 

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Posted by overlandflyer on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:24 PM

yes, the No. 15 locomotives... here are both motors.

ever seen a key?  luckily it seems to be a fairly standard size.  a Marx key i have works.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:06 PM

Post some photos.

It sounds like you are referring to the #15 locomotive from either 1914 or 1915.  I believe those motors were manufactured by Ansonia for American Flyer, which is why the key was on the other side and why it looks different.  

 

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Posted by overlandflyer on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:50 PM

i recently picked up two Am Flyer, Type V clockwork locomotives.  both have early clockwork motors (pre 1917, 6-spoke wheels) and both motors have right side SQUARE key posts.  they bear little resemblence to the other pre-1917 motors i know of found in early Flyer Type I locomotives.

anyone care to weigh in on this motor?

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:11 AM

JonEddy

 

Well I guess the whistle motor went out. I did try changing the brushes and either I caused a short in the motor armature or it was just giving its last couple of turns when I tried it earlier. If I can get that fixed it does look like the fiber gear is going out on it too. A couple of the gear teeth are worn down. Does anyone know if they make replacements or is it the idler gear for an Ogauge Engine, if so where? I didn't see them on Hennings or Train Tender's sitesSad 

 

       Jon

 

I don't know of anyone who has reproduced the fiber gear for the whistles.  

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 PM

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It came with both a freight set and a passenger set.  Yes the motor uses the same brushes as the engines.  Check the whistle motor gear, I believe it used a fiber gear and they go bad sometimes.

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Well I guess the whistle motor went out. I did try changing the brushes and either I caused a short in the motor armature or it was just giving its last couple of turns when I tried it earlier. If I can get that fixed it does look like the fiber gear is going out on it too. A couple of the gear teeth are worn down. Does anyone know if they make replacements or is it the idler gear for an Ogauge Engine, if so where? I didn't see them on Hennings or Train Tender's sitesSad 

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:29 PM

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JonEddy,

The tank car in the last picture looks to be from 1930 and is much earlier than the rest of your set.

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Thanks, for confirming that one was older. It looks like a previous owner may have touched up the base of that tank too. I tried testing the tender like you suggested, the motor turns but not very fast. I'm going to take a look at the brushes and clean it up and see if it helps. I'll also take a look at the gear.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:51 PM

JonEddy,

The tank car in the last picture looks to be from 1930 and is much earlier than the rest of your set.

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 5:57 PM

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Jon,

What cars did you get with the Hudson?

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I got the whole freight set, I just wasn't sure if I had the right cars with it because I got a couple of freight car sets with the same style of couplers. The only difference was the style of truck and color variation. I thought the tanker car(last pic) was from this set but it has a different style truck than the others.
 
 
 
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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:21 AM

Jon,

Here are the sets headed up by the Hudson from the 1936 catalog.

What cars did you get with the Hudson?

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Monday, June 1, 2020 6:44 PM

JonEddy

Did the 1936 version with the whistling tender come in a freight set or passenger set only or both? I tried testing the whistle with my transformer on a wheel and the forked trip and it hummed. Does it use the same brushes as other O-gauge motors?

    Jon

 

It came with both a freight set and a passenger set.  Yes the motor uses the same brushes as the engines.  Check the whistle motor gear, I believe it used a fiber gear and they go bad sometimes.

 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, June 1, 2020 4:31 PM

Narrow Gauge

The Oriental

Set #1337   1928 -1929

3112 Medium Boxcab

Notice the doors on the baggage car

A previous owner installed some opaque material in the windows on the coach and the observation.

I like the looks of the window material

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Posted by JonEddy on Friday, May 29, 2020 5:49 PM

Did the 1936 version with the whistling tender come in a freight set or passenger set only or both? I tried testing the whistle with my transformer on a wheel and the forked trip and it hummed. Does it use the same brushes as other O-gauge motors?

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Posted by JonEddy on Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:04 PM

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Hi Jon,

As you know the Hudson (Type XII engine) was cataloged from 1936 to  1939. The catalogs from 1937 to 1939 are posted online in their entirety.  If you Google American Flyer catalog 1937 you will see this entry.

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American Flyer Trains 1937, page 6 | AC Gilbert Catalog Archive

I believe that all of the Prewar Gilbert catalogs are posted there.  You will get a good idea of the sets that the Hudson headed up.

I can probably post some photos from the 1936 catalog. Is there a particular set you are looking for?

The passenger sets are my favorites.

 

Hi Northwoods,
    The set I got was a freight set, or at least when I bought it it had a freight set with the tender and engine. Thanks for the info, I'll see what i can find in the online catalogs.
 
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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:19 AM

JonEddy

Hey Northwoods do you have any catalog pages for the 1680 Hudson with the set options? 

   Thanks for any info.

           Jon

Hi Jon,

As you know the Hudson (Type XII engine) was cataloged from 1936 to  1939. The catalogs from 1937 to 1939 are posted online in their entirety.  If you Google American Flyer catalog 1937 you will see this entry.

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American Flyer Trains 1937, page 6 | AC Gilbert Catalog Archive

I believe that all of the Prewar Gilbert catalogs are posted there.  You will get a good idea of the sets that the Hudson headed up.

I can probably post some photos from the 1936 catalog. Is there a particular set you are looking for?

The passenger sets are my favorites.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:26 PM

To test the whistle, just use power wires from your transformer and connect one to the split fork power pickup on the tender and the other to one of the wheels on the tender.

It should run fine on 3 rail track, but not sure about going through switches.

 

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:47 PM

Really, I remember reading about the whistle in the thread a while back. I thought that was only on the 9900 Zephyr's. Can this tender run on the three rail system without hurting anything? Anyone know how to test the whistle to make sure it works?

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JonEddy,

That is the 1936 only whistling tender for the Hudson.  It requires special 4 rail track to make the whistle work.

Lionel sued for patent infringement, so the whistling tender/coaches appeared only in 1936.  In 1937 Flyer brought out the whistling billboard.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:04 PM

JonEddy,

That is the 1936 only whistling tender for the Hudson.  It requires special 4 rail track to make the whistle work.

Lionel sued for patent infringement, so the whistling tender/coaches appeared only in 1936.  In 1937 Flyer brought out the whistling billboard.

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Posted by JonEddy on Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:47 AM

Hey Northwoods do you have any catalog pages for the 1680 Hudson with the set options? I posted some pics above of the Hudson I picked up. Can you tell me what the tender has wired up? It looks like a nother set of brushed underneath. Was this a whistling tender or something else? 

   Thanks for any info.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:55 AM

Thanks NWL.

I should have checked my photo archive.

Correction made.  I deleted the statement in my original post.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:34 PM

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Wide Gauge

Tender #4671

It uses the Ives casting that American Flyer got in the bankruptcy sale.

 

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That is not the "Ives Casting" tender

The Ives Casting tender looks completely different, see below.

 

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:19 PM

What a drop-dead gorgeous machine!  Big Smile

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:57 PM

Wide Gauge

Here is the Brass Piper that came along with the "Ambassador" tender above.

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Friday, May 22, 2020 8:59 AM

I have seen a wide gauge tender with Ambassador plates before.  I suspect they were there from the factory, as opposed to being installed during a repair.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:25 PM

Wide Gauge

Tender #4671

I recently purchased a number of pieces of Wide Gauge American Flyer equipment from a hobby store that was closing. There were a number of pieces that I didn't have and I purchased what I thought were some common pieces to fill the holes in my colection.  I didn't have a great deal of time to examine all of the pieces and I packed them up and put them into storage.  I have finally had some time to examine what I bought.

At first glance this looks like a common #4671

 

Those of you who are more alert than I was at the time I bought it know that the tender usually has an "American Flyer Lines" brass plate or decal on the sides. Mine has an "Ambassador" brass plate on each side. (Think 11" red Narrow Gauge passenger cars). I went scrambling to my Greenberg Guide to find out if it is legitimate. Greenberg does not list it as a variation.  

I went back to the tender and did a closer examination.

The top of the tender matches the photo in the Guide.

The bottom of the tender shows it to have the 4671 stamp.

And something else...

It is difficult to read but this is the "Sold as Shopworn" stamp that usually appears on items that were sold from the store in the factory.  Its hard to know the whole story but for some reason Flyer was using up some old brass plates on a tender sent back for repair, or sold through the factory store.   

Does anyone else have an "Ambassador" Wide Gauge tender?

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