Lionel Lionmaster Big Boy

[magicman710]

Hello Yall!

I was just wondering if the Lionmaster Big Boy is a good engine? Good smoke? Good Railsounds? Good starting & constant speed? Any differences from it and the Legacy Big Boy? Any pictures or vidoes?

 

Thanks!

[ChiefEagles]

Can't beat the new scale Big Boy.  Mine is outstanding. 

[magicman710]

Can't beat the new scale Big Boy.  Mine is outstanding. 

 

IMHO, No O guage locomotive is worth over $1000. I would spend that much on a set, but not a single loco. Besides, I only like traditional, not scale.

[laz 57]

MAGICMAN,

  I have both of the BB,  Lionmaster and Legacy, both run great and smoke really good and sound fantastic.  The Lionmaster is scaled to 0-27 rolling stock and is very fast.  Faster then the Legacy BB.  Legacy BB has better smoke, maintenance lites that come on when the engine is stopped, 4 chuffs per revolution,lit number boards  and is just built really well. 

Here are some pics side by side...

laz57

[csxt30]

Can't beat the new scale Big Boy.  Mine is outstanding. 

 

IMHO, No O guage locomotive is worth over $1000. I would spend that much on a set, but not a single loco. Besides, I only like traditional, not scale.

" I was just wondering if the Lionmaster Big Boy is a good engine? Good smoke? Good Railsounds? "

You sure do a lot of wondering !!

Try a Lionmaster Challenger then. Had mine for a couple years & not one problem. Great smoke, great sound, plenty of pulling power. You might get one for under 600 bucks now. I did.

John 

[GregM]

Laz 57 wrote:

  I have both of the BB,  Lionmaster and Legacy, both run great and smoke really good and sound fantastic. 

Well, since you have an new Legacy BigBoy, what would it take to get you to part with the Lionmaster version?

[laz 57]

Laz 57 wrote:

  I have both of the BB,  Lionmaster and Legacy, both run great and smoke really good and sound fantastic. 

Well, since you have an new Legacy BigBoy, what would it take to get you to part with the Lionmaster version?

Sorry GREG, I do like both of them but maybe someday.  I'll let you know if I do.

laz57

[challenger3980]

MAGICMAN,

  I have both of the BB,  Lionmaster and Legacy, both run great and smoke really good and sound fantastic.  The Lionmaster is scaled to 0-27 rolling stock and is very fast.  Faster then the Legacy BB.  Legacy BB has better smoke, maintenance lites that come on when the engine is stopped, 4 chuffs per revolution,lit number boards  and is just built really well. 

Here are some pics side by side...

laz57

   HOLY SMOKE, I never thought anything that ran on 3-Rail O-Gauge would ever DWARF my LionMaster BigBoy, I know that it's not scale, but it ain't little either. Laz, I haven't seen the Legacy and LionMaster side by side before, that thing is a MONSTER, no wonder it needs O-72 curves. I know that Steroids aren't legal in Pro Sports, but they obviously are in model railroading. Looks GREAT Laz, maybe one will eventually find its way to my collection, but I think that my next 3 major purchases are going to be the Scale FEF's and the Scale GS-4, but I will definitely keep the Legacy BB in mind in the future, THANKS for the pics Laz.

                                                         Doug (NOT DA GRUMP)

[dbaker48]

I have the MTH RK Big Boy,  Really like it.  It's a real good runner, smokes well.  Sounds could be better.  But no complaints.  Also have the new Lionel scale BB.  It is truly "Outstanding"  I think it is out in standing in a field somewhere in Michigan.  Hopefully will be back this next week.

[laz 57]

MAGICMAN,

  I have both of the BB,  Lionmaster and Legacy, both run great and smoke really good and sound fantastic.  The Lionmaster is scaled to 0-27 rolling stock and is very fast.  Faster then the Legacy BB.  Legacy BB has better smoke, maintenance lites that come on when the engine is stopped, 4 chuffs per revolution,lit number boards  and is just built really well. 

Here are some pics side by side...

laz57

   HOLY SMOKE, I never thought anything that ran on 3-Rail O-Gauge would ever DWARF my LionMaster BigBoy, I know that it's not scale, but it ain't little either. Laz, I haven't seen the Legacy and LionMaster side by side before, that thing is a MONSTER, no wonder it needs O-72 curves. I know that Steroids aren't legal in Pro Sports, but they obviously are in model railroading. Looks GREAT Laz, maybe one will eventually find its way to my collection, but I think that my next 3 major purchases are going to be the Scale FEF's and the Scale GS-4, but I will definitely keep the Legacy BB in mind in the future, THANKS for the pics Laz.

                                                         Doug (NOT DA GRUMP)

DOUG,

  I too have my eye on the scale FEF.  Might be my next BIG THING?

Your welcome,

laz57

[pmilazzo]

Not fair, the lionmaster is at a height disadvantage because of fastrack vs. tinplate track...That makes it look smaller than it really is height wise.  But even if it was the same height, I would expect it to be slightly smaller in the height area.

One advantage the lionmaster has over it's scale big brother is that it can do much tighter curves and looks great on all wide curves.

  

[SD-40T-2]

i just pre ordered  my first Lionel 6-11208 UP BIG BOY LIONMASTER LEGACY STEAM LOCOMOTIVE WITH VISION WHISTLE STEAM do out in july

LIONMASTER LEGACY STEAM LOCOMOTIVE WITH VISION WHISTLE STEAM

The LionMaster series brings out the giants of steam to more modest size O Gauge layouts.

Here’s your chance to get the legendary Union Pacific Big Boy locomotive fully equipped with LEGACY, and at a scaleddown size that can negotiate even O-31 curves. LionMaster engines maintain a correct sense of proportion and include many separately applied details, such as accurate builder’s plates.

The Big Boy LionMaster steam locomotive is fully equipped with the best of LEGACY Command Control, LEGACY RailSounds, and Odyssey II Speed Control. And for the first time ever, they also feature the high realism of Vision Whistle Steam, a new steam effect that mimics blasts of steam that emanate from a real locomotive whistles when they’re blown. The Vision Whistle Steam effect is synchronized to the RailSounds sound system.

 

Features

• LEGACY Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer
• Odyssey II Speed Control with On/Off switch
• LEGACY RailSounds system featuring:
  --CrewTalk dialog and TowerCom announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped
  --DynaChuff synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed
  --LEGACY "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature 'quilling' and correctly timed warning signals
  -Single hit or continuous mechanical bell sounds
• Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel
• VISION Whistle Steam – Realistic smoke output from whistle when whistle is blown
  -Fan-driven smoke unit with adjustable smoke output delivers varying intensity of smoke to main stack and whistle
  -All steam effects are synchronized to the RailSounds sound system
• Wireless Tether connection between
• locomotive and tender
• ElectroCoupler on rear of tender
• Dual powerful maintenance-free motors
• Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender
• Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive
• Traction tires
• Interior illumination in cab
• Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks
• Die-cast metal tender body and trucks
• Separately applied metal details
• Accurate, separately applied builder's plates
• Authentically detailed cab interior
• Flickering firebox in cab
• Cab glass windows
• Engineer and fireman figures

[Rolo Tomasee]

Added myself to the list for the Lionmaster BB 6-11208 this weekend. The steam whistle on this thing was the feature that pulled my wallet out of my pocket. July is going to seem like an eternity.

[SD-40T-2]

i am wondering  when the new the Lionmaster BB 6-11208 is due out in hobby shops july 10th

[Ole Timer]

 One gigantic note here ... The Legacy Vision Line Big Boy is going to cost you up to a whopping  $ 1,695.00   .......  now is a few sounds and maybe 1 or 2 more added little features worth  around $ 1,000.00  more .... your choice     Plus you'll need the legacy control system to have all the features operational .... which does add quite a few functions to the Lionmaster Big Boy TMCC selling for around

$ 400.00 also . The standard Legacy Big Boy can be had for close to $ 750.00 - $ 800.00 on Ebay . So read and check this out if you already have a legacy system and see if the extra 

$ 1,000.00  is worth adding to the price .  You may opt for buying a Lionmaster Legacy Big Boy instead of 1 Vision Line  Big Boy . As you can read there are many more advantages and settings for the Lionmaster CTT did not mention  .... and are available . Maybe you may just want the Legacy Operating System only instead . The new legacy system even adds alot of settings to your TMCC engines  .... Big Boys and all = so try the Legacy control system first if you don't have one .... then decide on which engine .... who knows you may love your older engines and with all the new commands and  keep or put that cash to more train equipment .

Below is part of the  CTT test :

While there are many suggested improvements in TMCC performance cited by Legacy, the two that we viewed as most important are improved speed control and the Real Railroad Speeds "push-button" speed control option.
In Legacy-testing several TMCC-equipped locomotives built from 1997 through 2001, we noted less hesitation and balking and a tendency to respond to changes in the throttle more quickly. The older TMCC locomotives we used didn't experience a significant lowering of speeds (in fact, two actually had higher low speeds than when tested years back), but the changes for the better were enough to warrant a positive "huh" at the test track.

The most fun we experienced running older TMCC gear was in using Real Railroad Speeds. Simply press the buttons, and the locomotives speed up (or slow down) to the targeted speed and stay there. The only unsteadiness we noted was with our oldest TMCC diesel on the lowest speed settings - while going through O-54 curves.  Legacy control provides nice continuity between existing fleets of TMCC-equipped power and an expanding fleet of Legacy-equipped super-power. So we would have to say that operating your TMCC-equipped locomotives with Lionel's Legacy system is not difficult, and it will wring better performance from your old warhorses.

  http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=2234
 

 

[Rolo Tomasee]

I have been watching ebay for the last couple of weeks and have seen people pay about $150.00 less than what a 2010 Lionmaster BB would cost. These were BB about 5 years old slightly used or new in the box. For a $150 more I would rather have the new BB with Legacy and the Vision Steam whistle which will work in conventional mode.

 I pre ordered mine for a $144 less than suggested retail price with free shipping. I think that is a good deal.

[fjerome]

 here are a couple of videos of the lionmaster (legacy) big boy in action.  i like this engine a lot.

 

big boy ramble

 

operations

[SD-40T-2]

ON APRIL 5TH I PREORDERED THE NEW 6-11208  LIONEL LIONMASTER BIG BOY WITH VISION STEAM AT THE PREORDER PRICE WHICH MEANS I WAS CHARGED ONLY ONE DOLLAR  TO VALIDATE MY BILLING INFORMATION THEN $755 THE SALE PRICE ONCE THE ITEM BECOMES AVAILABLE AND SHIPPED FROM THIS ONLINE HOBBIE SHOP

[RickO]

Thats right! You need to do your homework when train shopping!  Preordering from a Charles Ro or a Trainworld will yeild a much better deal than going down to the corner shop or even ebay in most cases, as far as a brand new loco is concerned. There are also a few shops like Sidetrack hobbies and Grzyboskis trains that have some older Lionmaster challengers on the shelf still in the shipper at great prices,Lionel had releases of these every few years with improvements each time. Check Lionel. com with the part # for details. I bought a Lionmaster cab forward from Sidetrack Hobbies for just over $600 bucks brand new!  Further online searching could find others sealed on the shelf as well. I found both the Lionmaster Hudson and Class A released  in 2003,last fall brand new!

[SD-40T-2]

i preordered my 6-11208  LIONEL LIONMASTER BIG BOY WITH VISION STEAM  from hobbystation.net but lionel wont be shipping this item till oct, 2010