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When did the Chessie Cat come about ?

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When did the Chessie Cat come about ?
Posted by csxt30 on Friday, August 10, 2007 12:29 PM

I heard a nice little story on our radio staion that said it came about when the president of the C&O, Walter Touey, (sp?) recieved a letter from a little girl that lost her dog, due to one of the trains running it over. His office was in the Terminal Tower in Cleveland, Oh. This was I believe, they said in the 1920s !  He had someone get that little girl a new puppy & in his letter back to her, he said they also had a pet cat named Chessie !!

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Posted by Jumijo on Friday, August 10, 2007 12:51 PM

I'd like to know too, as I have a C&O boxcar with the cat logo on it.

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Posted by csxt30 on Friday, August 10, 2007 1:05 PM

I think I have it now, Jim !! Around 1933 they started using it !!

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chessie_%28railroad_mascot%29

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, August 10, 2007 1:07 PM

The kitten appeared as part of a promotion for passenger trains on the C&O railroad, IIRC in the 30's.  The idea was that the C&O sleepers were so comfortable that even a kitten would get a good night's rest.  There is a book available on the subject - I am at work and don't have the title.  Don't know off hand if the story you heard fits in or not.

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Posted by Jumijo on Friday, August 10, 2007 1:10 PM
 csxt30 wrote:

I think I have it now, Jim !! Around 1933 they started using it !!

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chessie_%28railroad_mascot%29

Thanks, John

1972 was when the Chessie System and logo came to be. Rats! My layout is set in the late 50's... I guess I'll have to throw that boxcar away.

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Posted by magicman710 on Friday, August 10, 2007 1:15 PM

I personally have heard 2 rumors. 1, it was a slogan reffering to "the confort of the sleeping passnegers" and an equivilent was a kitten. The other is that a crew found a kitten beside the tracks and named the railroad after it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 10, 2007 1:54 PM

Ah - I have info - got it last week while we were in Clifton Forge Va - Anything you ever wanted to know about the C&O can be found at www.cohs.org

This is their link to the story of "Chessie"

http://www.cohs.org/history/chessie.htm

Jim - Your timeframe is still cool! 

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Posted by Jumijo on Friday, August 10, 2007 2:00 PM
The boxcar looks too modern for the 50's. Lionel # 9740. It has Chessie System logo, and C&O and MEC reporting marks. Maybe I'll re-paint it as a NS and kick it across the room! Wink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 10, 2007 2:20 PM

Nah - don't kick it across the room after you repaint it - just box it up and send it to me.  I will take very good care of it.  Some people take in unwanted animals - I'll take your unwanted NS boxcars!Smile [:)]

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Posted by luther_stanton on Friday, August 10, 2007 2:30 PM

Great question John!

And part of Chessie still lives on today as the C in CSX.  S represents the Seaboard Coast Line (which is the merger of Atlantic Coast Line and Searboard Air Line) and I have heard the X is for the inclusion of future mergers.

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Posted by magicman710 on Friday, August 10, 2007 2:34 PM
 luther_stanton wrote:

I have heard the X is for the inclusion of future mergers.

- Luther 

Actually, I beleive the X the multiplcation simple. It means that "We are so much more together" (Seaboard and Chessie).

 

 

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Posted by magicman710 on Friday, August 10, 2007 2:34 PM
 luther_stanton wrote:

I have heard the X is for the inclusion of future mergers.

- Luther 

Actually, I beleive the X the multiplcation simple. It means that "We are so much more together" (Seaboard and Chessie).

 

 

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Friday, August 10, 2007 4:45 PM
 jaabat wrote:
 csxt30 wrote:

I think I have it now, Jim !! Around 1933 they started using it !!

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chessie_%28railroad_mascot%29

Thanks, John

1972 was when the Chessie System and logo came to be. Rats! My layout is set in the late 50's... I guess I'll have to throw that boxcar away.

Jim 

The fully illustrated Chessie the Kitten appeared on a series of special boxcars in the 1950's. The paint scheme had the slogan "The Chessie Route" under many of the portraits of the kitten sleeping on a pillow.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 10, 2007 5:01 PM
I heard it had something to do with a litter of cats being born on a passenger train. I may be way off but I believe I heard this on "Trains Unlimited: on the History Channel.
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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Friday, August 10, 2007 7:08 PM

The classic original Chessie pose, where the small kitten is tucked between the sheets, her paw thrust forward and one eye barely open was the work of Guido Gruenewald, an artist in Vienna.  Gruenewald used cats and kittens in many of his etchings.

The C&O was looking for an new slogan to replace "It's Always Springtime on the C&O".  The new slogan was to be "Sleep Like a Top" , when head of public relations for the railroad saw a reproduction of Gruenewald's etching in a magazine and then asking, "Which is better? 'Sleep Like a Top' or 'Sleep Like a Kitten' ? "  

The "Sleep Like a Kitten" ad first appeared on a timetable in 1932 to promote the air conditioned George Washington.  By 1933, the C&O had put into service enough air-conditioned Pullmans and advertised in the September issue of Fortune Magazine.  Within two days of the ad, the railroad received more than 300 requests for reprints, and it was evident that an ad campaign based on the kitten was a good idea.

In 1934, the C&O printed 40,000 calenders featuring the kitten.  An ad in January 1935 is the first time the kitten was given the name, Chessie.  http://www.tlcrailroadbooks.com/cgi-bin/tlcstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=101T

 

When you visit the Baltimore, Ohio and Wabash Railroad at Roger's Corners, Ohio, make sure you see the 1954 C&O calender commemorating Chessie's 21st birthday.

I personally thought it was the dumbest move to drop the kitten as a corporate symbol by the CSX. 

Now for the trivia question.  There are three major railroads that have used animals as logo?  C&O had the cat and NS has the horse.  Who is the third?

 

Now that is a paint scheme.

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Posted by luther_stanton on Friday, August 10, 2007 8:15 PM

Buckeye,

I believe that you refer to the Great Northern as the 3rd - the mountain goat?

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Friday, August 10, 2007 8:45 PM
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Buckeye,

I believe that you refer to the Great Northern as the 3rd - the mountain goat?

- Luther

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Posted by chuck on Friday, August 10, 2007 9:27 PM

Chessie the Railroad Kitten by Thomas Dixon outlines the history of the kitty.  They added "Peake", Chessie's "old man" in 1937.  He was used extensively in WW2 adds. 

The Yellow, Blue and Vermillion paint scheme with the sleeping kitten inside the "C" was a beautiful paint scheme.  CSX was nuts to drop that for the primer grey with blue CSX lettering.  It looks like they couldn't even afford real paint.

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:12 AM

The Gray with Blue Lettering paint scheme used for CSX in the 5 years following the merger looked more like they thought the Chessie System and Seaboard System schemes were too much fun for a serious railroad. Now that they are freight only, who can sleep like a kitten? They have to work 24 hours a day moving freight. No Time to Sleep, kitties.

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Posted by fifedog on Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:59 AM
Buckeye, I've got to agree with you.  Hey CSX, put the cat back in the "C".  The puney lettering on their SD70Ace's looks pathetic.  I actually give NS higher marks with it's latest Thoroughbred/white face scheme.
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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:27 PM

fifedog, the only problem is that the NS might be thinking cheaper in the near future.  I caught NS 7571 pulling pigs north from the Ohio River towards Columbus in August of last year.  I hope it was just primer, but I always thought the manufacturer did the painting.  Confused [%-)]

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Posted by csxt30 on Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:20 PM
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:

fifedog, the only problem is that the NS might be thinking cheaper in the near future.  I caught NS 7571 pulling pigs north from the Ohio River towards Columbus in August of last year.  I hope it was just primer, but I always thought the manufacturer did the painting.  Confused [%-)]

Usualy GE does paint them but when I worked in Erie from 99 to 02, N&S was getting a lot of engines out of there in primer. Their still not painted !!  I see them up here too all the time. The BNSF got a bunch out of their too & had them painted at a private facility & had to get every one repainted within a couple years cause that paint didn't hold up in the heat out west, etc. A big fee for getting a paint job at GE, but their's holds up.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:09 PM

John, have you ever been on a tour of the GE plant in Erie?  Do they even have tours? 

I'm very proud to say that I have had a tour of the Ohio Central Shops.  Since they also do steam rehabs, it is impressive.

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Posted by csxt30 on Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:24 PM
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:

John, have you ever been on a tour of the GE plant in Erie?  Do they even have tours? 

I'm very proud to say that I have had a tour of the Ohio Central Shops.  Since they also do steam rehabs, it is impressive.

I used to have to go in there every time they had engines coming out to go on our mainline in Erie, & inspect them. Most of the time they weren't even painted yet & I would walk all through the whole place from one Dept. to another looking for these engines. That place is like a little city in there, with streets & a traffic light and a Police Dept. Gigantic transfer tables that engines go from one Dept. to another.  Oh, one guy in one of the offices had a old Postwar Lionel engine on a shelf in his office !! I always liked that guy !! Laugh [(-D] Plus they always had a test train I had to put the marker on when it was going out on our main. In their yard they had some old trolleys & passenger cars. They have a 2 mile test track too I liked with catenary on it yet !!  There's a lot to see in that plant & though only one time inspecting our engines coming out, I found a sand door open !! Laugh [(-D]

Not sure but I think they have tours there & I know they do for prospective buyers !!

Oh, what did you see in that Ohio Central tour ? !!

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:54 PM
At the Ohio Central Shops, that have steam engines and diesels in various phase of reconditioning.  They are big on taking, say three or four worn out GP-40s and making on real good one.  They bought old Amtrak engines and re-geared them to pull freight.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:46 AM
 Buckeye Riveter wrote:

John, have you ever been on a tour of the GE plant in Erie?  Do they even have tours? 

I'm very proud to say that I have had a tour of the Ohio Central Shops.  Since they also do steam rehabs, it is impressive.

You guys live (somewhat near) Pittsburgh; there are great ON DEMAND programs from Comcast.

If you have Comcast..1) Go to the On Demand screen. Select "your town"

                               2) Then scroll down to the next page and select "PCN"

                               3) Then select "tours".

 You have these differant tours to pick from!!

1) Altoona Railroad Museum

2) G.E. Locomotives

3) Norfolk Southern Freight

Lots more...

Let me know if you can get them. They are really awesome programs!!

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Posted by fifedog on Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:02 AM

Buckeye - I got to tour the GE Erie plant back in 1990, during a NMRA Convention (Pittsburgh).  They (GE) would not allow picture taking once we got off the bus.  This was during GE's first big series of C40-8's, and as luck would have it CSX's order was being constructed.  It was neat seeing everything done in kit form, and very cool seeing frames and bodies suspended in air with lifts. Of course, back then CSX was big on painting its engines stealth grey, remember that?  Kinda reminiscent of NS's habit of putting them GE's right into revenew service.

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Posted by phillyreading on Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:39 AM

chuck,

Glad you mentioned about Peake, Chessie's old man, not too many people know about Peake today.

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Posted by broadythecableguy on Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:46 PM

I work for CSX and I agree that our current logo is a bad one. In looking at the current CSX logo I can see a quick way to improve it CSX, can you?

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Posted by csxt30 on Friday, August 17, 2007 12:55 AM
 broadythecableguy wrote:

I work for CSX and I agree that our current logo is a bad one. In looking at the current CSX logo I can see a quick way to improve it CSX, can you?

 Scott

 

Scott : do run through Ashtabula ? I'm 2nd. trick car inspector there, right now.

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