The Canadian & Selkirks

[Anonymous]

I read on www.wikipedia.org, that CP´s Canadian was also pulled occasionally by 2-10-4 Selkirk locomotives in the Rockies between 1955 and 1959. Unfortunately I´ve never seen a picture with the streamlined Canadian pulled by a 2-10-4 Selkirk. Do you know some websites where I could see such photos???

[Anonymous]

It may not be the sort of event the CP would be proud to document, but "Store 29," the CPR shop site, has a lot of historic photos that can be viewed for free or downloaded for a price.

To get to the company, log onto cpr.ca.com or cprailway.com

[RGeorge]

Page 66 of G.H. Drury's fine Guide to North Americam Steam Locomotives, (1993)

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by RGeorge

Page 66 of G.H. Drury's fine Guide to North Americam Steam Locomotives, (1993)

"Nicholas Morant's Canadian Pacific" by J.F. Garden has some beautiful photos of T1a, T1b and T1c Selkirks and GM FP7a's pulling heavy weight passenger car trains in the Rockies but none of Selkirks with the new "Canadian" equipped with its Budd passenger cars. The last Selkirks were delivered in 1949. FP7's were evaluated by the CPR between late 1949 and early 1950 and entered CPR service immediatly afterwards. The Canadian entered service in the mid '50's.

[Anonymous]

1955, to be precise.

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by smalling_60626

1955, to be precise.

By which time the Selkirks were clumping across the prairies, between Calgary and Swift Current hauling freight.

[Anonymous]

This is the first I've ever heard of The Canadian being pulled by steam (Selkirks or otherwise). However, for a short time before The Canadian was officially innaugurated on April 24, 1955, CP promoted their upcoming streamliner by mixing the stainless steel Budd cars that were to be used on The Canadian into the consists of other trains. These trains were often pulled by steam, which certainly could have included Selkirks. I've seen a photograph of such train with a Budd "Park Car" dome/observation coupled onto the end of a heavyweight consist pulled by a steamer.

[passengerfan]

I believe the train Sask Tinplater is referring to is the DOMINION as it carried a mixture of the new lightweight Budd built cars and the old maroon heavyweights. This train was even pulled by Hudsons on occasion before they were retired.

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by passengerfan

I believe the train Sask Tinplater is referring to is the DOMINION as it carried a mixture of the new lightweight Budd built cars and the old maroon heavyweights. This train was even pulled by Hudsons on occasion before they were retired.

Page 26 of Greg McDonnell's 'Canadian Pacific-Standfast Craigellechie" has a photo of St. John-Montreal Train No. 41 headed by Class K1a, No. 3101 4-8-4, a 13-car consist of light weight and heavy weight cars plus a new Park-series dome-observation car at the end. The date is 29 August 1954.

The Dominion was routinely headed by 2800 series Hudsons east of Calgary and west of Revelstoke. Pages 290 and 291 of "Nicholas Morant's Canadian Pacific" has a photo of the special tour train in which Princess Elizabeth (now Queen Elizabeth) travelled across Canada in October 1951. The train, standing at Glacier, B.C. is headed by Royal Hudson Class H1e, No. 2863, plus Selkirk Class T1b, No. 5920 as a (front-end) "pusher".