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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:40 PM
First rode the RDC's between N. Vancouver and Prince George when it was still the Pacific Great Eastern. Rode between N. Vancouver and Prince George and North Vancouver and Lillooet sine it became BC Rail. Was always impressed with the crews on the trains. Also rode the RDC's of the Malahat on Vancouver Island. Fastest trip on RDC's was on the CN when they operated secondary trains using RDC's between Toronto and Kingston.
Longest and most enjoyable RDC trip was on Western Pacific between Oakland and Salt Lake City using a single RDC -2 The RDC stopped for every meal and it was mostly WP crews using the car. Most just wanted to sleep and there was plenty of room for that as I was the only paying passenger on the car.
Rode the lone GN RDC between Havre and Great Falls on one occasion. I have both RDC books in my collection and am glad I purchased both.
My favorite cars were the domes and I have the following dome equipped trains to count as those I have ridden. GN EMPIRE BUILDER, NP NORTH COAST LIMITED, CMSTP&P OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA, UP CITY OF PORTLANDand 457-458, AT&SF SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN(HilLevel) CHICAGOAN, KANSAS CITYAN, CB&Q DENVER ZEPHYR, KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR, AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR, TWIN ZEPHYRS, CP CANADIAN, ATLANTIC LIMITED, CN PANORAMA, SUPER CONTINENTAL, SP SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF Ogden - Oakland, SP SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT, SP COAST DAYLIGHT, D&RGW WP CB&Q CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, D&RGW ROYAL GORGE,
and SCL FLORIDA SPECIAL
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 18, 2005 7:47 AM
Good morning ya'll from the sunny south.We are a little far off the beatin path of B&M & Canadian Rail,but love those rdc's anyway.I got one of those Lionel reproduction CP rdc's on my roster. One question about them. Could they run as MU"s to provide more power,or were they only set up to run independant of each other???? Oh by the way I'll just have a cup of "joe."It's a little too early for the hard stuff. Easter
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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, April 18, 2005 8:12 AM
Good Morning all - RDCs could mu; saw them that way all the time in Boston. Beeliner was the generic NYC name for Budd RDCs. They were all silver initially, but later had safety stripes painted on them (blcak/white/orange), IIRC. The New Haven called their RDCs "Shoreliners."

The nickname "Bee Line" was used by several different RRs. One application I remember was on the Reading where they had diesels lettered "Bee Line Service."

Siberianmo - The Iron Horse - many flashbackst! Back when they had hockey at the "Gahden," we used to repair there for fortification b4 a game. You needed all the energy you could muster to get up to the cheap seats (all we could afford back then). "Orr shoots, and Esposito scores on the rebound."

Now since it is Patriots Day and the Towne Team plays at 11:00 a.m., can we crank up the dish and watch the game at lunch?

I am glad to see we have a juke box. Lets see if we can find these tunes - Red Necks, White Sox, and Blue Ribbon Beer, Don't Rock the Juke Box, Bubba Shot the Juke Box, and Walkin' After Midnight (of course, any Patsy Cline sides will do).

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, April 18, 2005 9:12 AM
Morning All!
Another Monday - another chance to excel for all of you guys heading off to work![;)] Well, at least is sounds positive .......

What a near-perfect weekend, temperature and weather wise for many of us in mid-continent USA - got some outdoor "stuff" taken care of - and just enjoyed it all.

Tomorrow at noon, the vote closes, and "Our Place" will take a definitive shape in the form of a structure we can call our own! [yeah] Is there any doubt, which will "win"? Number one hasn't even been challenged .......



Let's take a look at what's been said .......

QUOTE: mac 4884 Posted: 16 Apr 2005, 20:26:42
Guess Im late.........

[#welcome]Man of a few words! Late? Hey -we were here ... never to late to drop in and share some "classic" trains info ..... C'mon back ..... and by the way, you may wi***o take a look at the conversations from our beginnings (page 1) ... just so you know what's been said![tup]

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 17 Apr 2005, 19:40:02
First rode the RDC's between N. Vancouver and Prince George when it was still the Pacific Great Eastern. Rode between N. Vancouver and Prince George and North Vancouver and Lillooet sine it became BC Rail. Was always impressed with the crews on the trains. Also rode the RDC's of the Malahat on Vancouver Island. Fastest trip on RDC's was on the CN when they operated secondary trains using RDC's between Toronto and Kingston.
Longest and most enjoyable RDC trip was on Western Pacific between Oakland and Salt Lake City using a single RDC -2 The RDC stopped for every meal and it was mostly WP crews using the car. Most just wanted to sleep and there was plenty of room for that as I was the only paying passenger on the car.
Rode the lone GN RDC between Havre and Great Falls on one occasion. I have both RDC books in my collection and am glad I purchased both.
My favorite cars were the domes and I have the following dome equipped trains to count as those I have ridden. GN EMPIRE BUILDER, NP NORTH COAST LIMITED, CMSTP&P OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA, UP CITY OF PORTLANDand 457-458, AT&SF SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN(HilLevel) CHICAGOAN, KANSAS CITYAN, CB&Q DENVER ZEPHYR, KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR, AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR, TWIN ZEPHYRS, CP CANADIAN, ATLANTIC LIMITED, CN PANORAMA, SUPER CONTINENTAL, SP SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF Ogden - Oakland, SP SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT, SP COAST DAYLIGHT, D&RGW WP CB&Q CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, D&RGW ROYAL GORGE,
and SCL FLORIDA SPECIAL

Appreciate you stopping in again ...... I share your opinion of the crews who worked the RDC's of BC Rail. Very positive, very forthcoming and always attentive - at least in our experiences. Then again, that was the idea, wasn't it? Given the fares of those trips, I seriously doubt that too many were traveling back and forth as commuters! It surely was more the tourist train than not, especially when we traveled it ...... Still - very, very enjoyable and the RDC's were in great shape.

Dome cars? Man, you've experienced some dome cars - that's quite a list you've put together! Better be careful, you could wind up with a reputation as being a train fan (hmmmmmm - guess that's what your moniker is all about, huh?[;)]]
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Anyone else traveled that Oakland-Salt Lake City RDC-2? I believe those RDC's were called Zephyrettes - kind of the little sister to WP, Burlington and Rio Grande's California Zephyr.
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Oh yes, for those who don't know and may want to ......
Here's the breakdown on the RDC's:

RDC-1: strictly a pasenger unit at 85 ft in length. With walkover seating, could carry 90 passengers.

RDC-2: Combined a passenger and bagge-express compartment at 85 ft in length. Walkover seating allowed for 70 people.

RDC-3: Combined a passenger, baggage-express, and RPO all in one unit at 85 ft in length. Seated 48 passengers.

RDC-4: Designed exclusively for mail and expresss at 74 ft 10 in in length.

RDC-9: A "blind" trailer car with no windows in the ends and caried 94 passengers with walkoer-type seats at 85 ft in length.
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See ya again, Passengerfan![tup]

QUOTE: easter Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 07:47:50
Good morning ya'll from the sunny south.We are a little far off the beatin path of B&M & Canadian Rail,but love those rdc's anyway.I got one of those Lionel reproduction CP rdc's on my roster. One question about them. Could they run as MU"s to provide more power,or were they only set up to run independant of each other???? Oh by the way I'll just have a cup of "joe."It's a little too early for the hard stuff. Easter

Hey - Easter! Coffee's hot 'n ready ..... help yourself! Glad that you decided to give us another try ......

Those RDC's could be run either way - mulitiple units or individually. It all depended on those things called "variables" that the "bean counters" factored in. For example, on that run between Oakland and Salt Lake City, as long as it was, most times only one RDC traveled in either direction - just not enough passengers to justify more than one. Trunk line operators also used only one, whereas MU's were commonplace elsewhere, especially western Canada and out of Boston. So, your Lionel CP's would be very realistic in MU hookups .....

Where in the sunny south? Didn't see anything in your forum profile .....

See ya again - and by the way, still no vote? Hmmmmmm.[tup][;)]

QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: Today, 08:12:59
Good Morning all - RDCs could mu; saw them that way all the time in Boston. Beeliner was the generic NYC name for Budd RDCs. They were all silver initially, but later had safety stripes painted on them (blcak/white/orange), IIRC. The New Haven called their RDCs "Shoreliners."

The nickname "Bee Line" was used by several different RRs. One application I remember was on the Reading where they had diesels lettered "Bee Line Service."

Siberianmo - The Iron Horse - many flashbackst! Back when they had hockey at the "Gahden," we used to repair there for fortification b4 a game. You needed all the energy you could muster to get up to the cheap seats (all we could afford back then). "Orr shoots, and Esposito scores on the rebound."

Now since it is Patriots Day and the Towne Team plays at 11:00 a.m., can we crank up the dish and watch the game at lunch?

I am glad to see we have a juke box. Lets see if we can find these tunes - Red Necks, White Sox, and Blue Ribbon Beer, Don't Rock the Juke Box, Bubba Shot the Juke Box, and Walkin' After Midnight (of course, any Patsy Cline sides will do).

work safe

Good to "see" you again, Coalminer3 - looks like you're becoming a "regular" around here. Help yourself to the "Joe" - and you may want a bit of our light breakfast. Menu's right over there .......

Appreciate the Bee Liner/Beeliner explanation ..... there were many, many names for RDC's weren't there? But one thing they all had in common is that for so many, they prolonged the passenger service for rail travel. [yeah]

The "Iron Horse" in the late 60's and early 70's AND the Boston Bruins! I was there - I think somewhere in my aging memory banks jare the numbers of each and every Bruin on those two Stanley Cup Champion teams. Although I saw most of the games on Channel 30 (UHF) - had to buy a special "box" for our TV to receive them - the Bruins of that era were something else indeed. So was the "Horse"!! Hey, don't you owe me a beer? I think I remember you .......

Sorry, but Patriot's Day isn't observed at this bar ..... we call it EVERYDAY - so go ahead, turn on the dish system and see what comes through![;)]

So just where are you located? Coalminer3 and the talk about WVA and now Boston? Hmmmmmmmm - maybe I should recheck your ID ....[}:)]

Gotta admit, you've come up with some "tunes" that just may be a bit hard to find for my vintage juke box. If you can find the 45's - bring 'em on in and we'll have a go. Patsy? Oh yeah, we've got Patsy ... remember, one quarter gets you five plays ........

Sticking around for lunch? Well, the bread truck just pulled in and the loaves are as fresh as can be ...... think I'll have a grinder/sub/hoagie/hero sandwich too. (That should cover the bases on those, eh?[;)]

Appreciate your business - pool tables here tomorrow![tup][;)]
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That's about it for me for now ........ I'll be "here" for the day ...... but will let you do the "talking" until later ......

See y'all real soon![tup][;)]

Tom in Chesterfield, MO, USA (Siberianmo)


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Posted by CFournier on Monday, April 18, 2005 2:30 PM
Try this site: http://www.quebecweb.com/beaucerail/
To see an ALCO FA pulling a tourist train on the old Quebec Central. I will ride this train this summer...
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, April 18, 2005 2:55 PM
Chris,

I checked out the site ... they don't show the 2005 schedule. What can you provide regarding the duration of the excursion and scheduling? We're not really 'into' these type trains, but touring Quebec has been something we've been talking about for quite a while ......

Tom
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, April 18, 2005 6:39 PM
Since its a Classic Trains subject matter how about All Puilman trains. I personally have ridden the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED, BROADWAY LIMITED, CHIEF, SUPER CHIEF, CITY OF LOS ANGELES, FLORIDA SPECIAL and NEW ENGLAND STATES the latter was operating in two sections at Xmas time 1961 one all Coach the other All Pullman. The All Pullman Train I wished I had the pleasure of riding was the ARIZONA LIMITED but it was before my time. I have talked to SP old timers and thirty years after the train ran they still had fond memories of the winter only train.
I have never ridden an All Pullman train outside the US and by the time I rode the CN OCEAN it was coach and first class both.
I always say if I win the lottery I will own my own private car. But I guess that would be just like owning a yacht. Tried that many years ago and found it was a very expensive proposition for the use I actually got out of it. It sure lightened the load on my wallet after I sold it. Maintenance and upkeep doesn't come cheap and i suspect the same for a private car.
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Posted by CFournier on Monday, April 18, 2005 7:31 PM
Tom
Looks like thr schedule is not out yet. I'll check it out tomorrow.
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Posted by West Coast S on Monday, April 18, 2005 7:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier

West Coast S,
My sources says WP # 34 was 2-8-0 consolidation, and I think the Mikados where numbered in the 300's ? Am I right?
How about branch lines South of Frisco? Or north of SF ? I saw a picture of a small WP train with a Consolidation pulling a combination and a heavyweight on a branch line.
I'll have a Geary's Pale Ale if you have any Tom...
Chris
Gotta quit putting my glasses on backwards. Here you go Chris: 4-6-0 #94 powered the final revenue steam operations on the point of the eastbound CZ in 1960.

2-8-2 #334 was used for excursion duty as well until sidelined due to mechanical problems, both engines survive today and #94 was operational until several years ago.

Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you.

Well its quiting time, wife gave me the honey do list, so i'd better sign off for today.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, April 18, 2005 11:29 PM

QUOTE: Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you.


Catanary hmmm my ears just perked up.Would this have been an old Pacific Electric branch?Nothing beats a good interurban story i always say.Speaking of all things electricJust got back from a weekend spent at the museum.Getting the place spruced up for openning day on the 7th of May.Being the consumate railfans that we are we just had to let a couple of the cars out of the barn to play.Operated 2894 for about an hour it's an Ottawa car company built small Peter Whitt type streetcar from the TTC. I just love running this car nice and smooth.Tom any idea which museums were going to aquire the old PGE RDC's. I had heard a wild rummour (two years ago) Long story short the city of Toronto wabts to build a direct rail access from TO union to the airport.The plans being kicked arounnd have been anywhere from a subway line($$$ prohibitive) to various surface options up to and including (wait forr it) aquiring some surplus VIA RDC's. It will be interesting to see what happens. Most people figure it will be a literail electric or a dedicated bus route but who knows those RDC's may get another kick at the can yet. See you later. Rob
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Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:23 AM
Siberianmo - I am in WV, but spent my allegedly formative years in New England.

Passengerfan - The NE States was a fine train, even thought it was a shadow of its former self at the end. I did have the good fortune to have a bedroom suite on the Broadway once from New York to Chicago.

Return with us to those thrilling days of yesteryear when the Merchants Limited had 14 parlors and two diners.

BTW, for those SP folks who visit, and there seem to be a few, the most recent issue of the SP Historical Society's magazine has an article called "Last Gasp of Steam." Interesting material to say the least.

Let's get busy. Maybe, I'll have time to shoot a couple of racks this evening...

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Posted by CFournier on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:21 AM
West Coast S
I have a black and white picture of WP #60, a 2-8-0, pulling a short passenger train, in a small valley, with a rpo, baggage, and maybe 2 heavyweight coaches. The darn thing is that I still can't post pics on this forum!!! But if I had your E-mail I could send it to you to check it out . Look at my profile, I think I put my E-mail there.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:36 AM
Today's the day! "Our Place" officially has a "home." And the winner is .....


Pool tables are in the back room - and will be ready for play at noon. Man oh man, those things are heavy ...... glad I checked the basement to make sure the floor can handle the load.

Okay - so let's check the conversations .....

QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 14:30:08
Try this site: http://www.quebecweb.com/beaucerail/
To see an ALCO FA pulling a tourist train on the old Quebec Central. I will ride this train this summer...
Chris


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 14:55:10
Chris,
I checked out the site ... they don't show the 2005 schedule. What can you provide regarding the duration of the excursion and scheduling? We're not really 'into' these type trains, but touring Quebec has been something we've been talking about for quite a while ......
Tom


QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 19:31:44
Tom
Looks like the schedule is not out yet. I'll check it out tomorrow.
Chris


Thanx! The Alco looks great - glad to see one in operation. Those were truly "classics"![tup][;)]

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 18:39:17
Since its a Classic Trains subject matter how about All Puilman trains. I personally have ridden the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED, BROADWAY LIMITED, CHIEF, SUPER CHIEF, CITY OF LOS ANGELES, FLORIDA SPECIAL and NEW ENGLAND STATES the latter was operating in two sections at Xmas time 1961 one all Coach the other All Pullman. The All Pullman Train I wished I had the pleasure of riding was the ARIZONA LIMITED but it was before my time. I have talked to SP old timers and thirty years after the train ran they still had fond memories of the winter only train.
I have never ridden an All Pullman train outside the US and by the time I rode the CN OCEAN it was coach and first class both.
I always say if I win the lottery I will own my own private car. But I guess that would be just like owning a yacht. Tried that many years ago and found it was a very expensive proposition for the use I actually got out of it. It sure lightened the load on my wallet after I sold it. Maintenance and upkeep doesn't come cheap and i suspect the same for a private car.


Your rail travels are to be envied ..... hope you have a decent collection of photo's ....... and also a "log book" (or two or three........)

As a retired sailor, I know a little something about those holes in the water ... I'll stick to trains and apparently you feel the same way. Wondering - are the costs still "a dollar per mile" for a private rail car coupled to a train? One day ......

Since this is a drinking establishment, whatillyahave? Check out menu too ......

Stick around ..... [tup][;)]

QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 19:56:49
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier
West Coast S,
My sources says WP # 34 was 2-8-0 consolidation, and I think the Mikados where numbered in the 300's ? Am I right?
How about branch lines South of Frisco? Or north of SF ? I saw a picture of a small WP train with a Consolidation pulling a combination and a heavyweight on a branch line.
I'll have a Geary's Pale Ale if you have any Tom...
Chris
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Gotta quit putting my glasses on backwards. Here you go Chris: 4-6-0 #94 powered the final revenue steam operations on the point of the eastbound CZ in 1960.

2-8-2 #334 was used for excursion duty as well until sidelined due to mechanical problems, both engines survive today and #94 was operational until several years ago.

Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you.

Well its quiting time, wife gave me the honey do list, so i'd better sign off for today.


Now we're on a roll ..... that's the kind of dialogue we've been hoping for .....

By the way, I can't let you take that with you ... sorry, you gotta finish it here![}:)]

From time to time I'll be reminding y'all to check those posts on previous pages, never know what might 'flick your switch.'[tup][;)]

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 23:29:01

QUOTE: Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you.

Catanary hmmm my ears just perked up.Would this have been an old Pacific Electric branch? Nothing beats a good interurban story I always say.

Speaking of all things electric Just got back from a weekend spent at the museum. Getting the place spruced up for openning day on the 7th of May.

Being the consumate railfans that we are we just had to let a couple of the cars out of the barn to play. Operated 2894 for about an hour it's an Ottawa car company built small Peter Whitt type streetcar from the TTC. I just love running this car nice and smooth.

Tom any idea which museums were going to aquire the old PGE RDC's. I had heard a wild rumour (two years ago) Long story short the city of Toronto wants to build a direct rail access from TO union to the airport.

The plans being kicked arounnd have been anywhere from a subway line($$$ prohibitive) to various surface options up to and including (wait for it) aquiring some surplus VIA RDC's. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Most people figure it will be a literail electric or a dedicated bus route but who knows those RDC's may get another kick at the can yet.

See you later. Rob


Regarding the BC Rail RDC's (formerly PGE): I've tried to keep track of 'em, but it gets a bit dizzy ..... info only as good as what one can find on the web ....

Last I heard, the West Coast Railway Heritage Park in Squamish, BC had one RDC-1 - gutted - and sold to a museum employee. It is on display ......

The State of Oregon, was supposedly going to use two former BC Rail RDC's for excursion work in connection with their commeration of the Lewis and Clark's 200th anniversary exploration from St. Louis to the Pacific Ocean.

The Wilton Scenic RR in New England has two former BC Rail RDC's running from Milford to Greenfield, NH and return.

Also, the Cape May Scenic RR supposedly has one former BC Rail RDC as well.

Don't have anything further .......

Those RDC's traveling between downtown Toronto and Pearson International would be a real treat. But one really has to wonder out loud - just how much more can anyone expect from these magnificant cars?

Thanx for your contributions .... BUT ...... you've got to pay your bar tab before you go![tup][}:)]

QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: Today, 08:23:09
Siberianmo - I am in WV, but spent my allegedly formative years in New England.

Passengerfan - The NE States was a fine train, even thought it was a shadow of its former self at the end. I did have the good fortune to have a bedroom suite on the Broadway once from New York to Chicago.

Return with us to those thrilling days of yesteryear when the Merchants Limited had 14 parlors and two diners.

BTW, for those SP folks who visit, and there seem to be a few, the most recent issue of the SP Historical Society's magazine has an article called "Last Gasp of Steam." Interesting material to say the least.

Let's get busy. Maybe, I'll have time to shoot a couple of racks this evening...

work safe

Okay ..... now I get it. My connection with New England spanned a total of eight years - three in Connecticut and five in the Boston area of Massachusetts. In those days, I was a "poor" sailor and found living in that part of the country perhaps the most expensive I'd ever experienced ..... including New York City! Anyway, that was then and this is now ....... had some great railroading memories from those places .... used to ride the New Haven quite a bit and of course, the B&M. [yeah]

Those thrilling days of yesteryear that you refer to is what this thing "is all about" for many of us. Thank trhe Lord for the thing we have called "memory."

See ya later - and enjoy the tables![tup][;)]

QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 09:21:26
West Coast S
I have a black and white picture of WP #60, a 2-8-0, pulling a short passenger train, in a small valley, with a rpo, baggage, and maybe 2 heavyweight coaches. The darn thing is that I still can't post pics on this forum!!! But if I had your E-mail I could send it to you to check it out . Look at my profile, I think I put my E-mail there.
Chris

Having problems with posting pix? Drop me an e-mail and I'll be glad to offer some assistance ....... No expert, but it can be done!

By the way, how about some breakfast - a light menu - but really good![tup][;)]
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See y'all real soon![tup][;)]

Tom in Chesterfield, MO, USA (Siberianmo)



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Posted by CFournier on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:38 AM
Let's talk classic colour schemes.[;)]
Do you guys have a theory on why western railroads colour schemes, especialy in the 50's and 60's, were so colourfull compared to eastern railroads who had "drab" colours? Example: ATSF's Warbonnet, Westen Pacific's Zephir, UP's yellow, Milwaukee's orange and maroon, CRIP's red and yellow passenger diesels and SP's daylight , compared to Pensylvannia's green or dark red, or CN's green and gold, or NYC's two tone grey? The list could go on and on...
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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier

West Coast S
I have a black and white picture of WP #60, a 2-8-0, pulling a short passenger train, in a small valley, with a rpo, baggage, and maybe 2 heavyweight coaches. The darn thing is that I still can't post pics on this forum!!! But if I had your E-mail I could send it to you to check it out . Look at my profile, I think I put my E-mail there.
Chris
Greetings from the fortified bunker , there was no passenger service on the high line, so we can rule that out...perhaps it could be the Exposition Flyer with a depression era train. Don't let the presence of a 2-8-0 in passenger service decieve you. The WP had
2-8-0s, 2-8-2s built for and assigned to passenger service until the end of steam.
I forgot to add a diesel powered excursion on the SN to my prior list , using a WP S1 and 22 passenger cars! Good locos those Alcos were!

Speaking of SN I just aquired some 16mm footage of a post war excursion, i'm still working on the locations and the date.

Chris; I urge you to go to www.Cantanaryvideo.com and order a copy of Western Pacific the first 50 years. It is by far the best resource for the WP I have yet reviewed.

What's for dinner tonight? Keep it light, The wife promised me a S scale SP S1 0-6-0 if I loose 20 pounds.. 21 years of marriage has its advantages!

Dave aka West Coast S
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Posted by bjdukert on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:00 PM
Hi Siberianmo and all of you other folks

Thought I would stop in and sit over here in the corner and learn something of which I hope I am not too old to do yet. The conversation has been intresting.

Talk to you later

Duke

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:36 PM
Evening all .....

I'm going to post some pictures of my "classic" shelf railroad for the "classic" Lionel "classic" Polar Express set ....... take a look: (CLICK TO ENLARGE)

This idea came about when Lionel announced the creation of their O-gauge Polar Express set - modeled after the movie. The animated movie really is going to be a Christmas classic, in my opinion. Just one of those "feel good" flicks that entertain young and old around that time of year. Especially rewarding is the train ...... My grandkids should love this .... take a look:

It's come a long way since arrival:



Then to the basement:



To where it is now:











It's really nothing fancy ... the wallpaper background is called "Night Sky" - the shelves and brackets are from Home Depot ...... the "snow" is white styrofoam cut with a "hot" sculpting tool ...... the Fir trees are from Faller ... "snow" effect on the trees is Woodland Scenics ... glue is Elmers white mixed at 50/50 ..... oh yes, the run (20 ft x 5 ft) is ringed with blue rope lighting ....... with the lights out, it's "way cool"! That's it!

For those interested in other train pix - real and model, check out my photo album at: http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber

Replies to all in the morning ........

See ya!

Tom in Chesterfield, MO, USA (Siberianmo)
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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:09 AM
Good Morning Everyone:

What's for lunch?

How about that shot Manny hit last night? Connection with Classic Trains is that he hit it over the old Boston and Albany tracks out onto the Mass. Turnpike. Back in the day it was 4+ tracks (down to 2 now), but they still run behind the left field wall at Fenway.

Let's get something started abt. urban railroading. What follows is based on what I remember of the New Haven at Providence, RI, back 50+ (how did that happen?) yrs ago. People always ask what everyday railroading was like, so here goes.

The Providence waterfront combined railroads and ocean shipping along with tugboats and barges into a fascinating mixture of sights, soiunds, and smells. Aromas of salt air, wet wooden spiles, seaweed, lumber, decomposing fish, coal smoke, and the heavy, tarry fragrance of bunker oil blended into a breathtaking perfume. There were many brick buildings along the waterfront such as rubber companies, paint factories, coal yards, lumber yards, and tank farms: all were served by the railroad.

The tracks were in the street. It was a world where Alco switchers prowled at night to pick up and set out cars at shadowy buildings. Growing up, this activity was always better on rainy nights because things were more mysterious. The rain made the streets and rails shiny. The rain ran down the sides of the factory buildings and made the neon signs on top of the buildings seem to shine a little brighter. The streetlights were sharper and brighter, too.

Down the street comes a battered New Haven Alco switcher pushing a cut of cars. A brakeman, electric lantern in hand, perches on the ladder on the side of a Baltimore and Ohio boxcar passing signals back to the engineman. Carefully, carefully they move into a siding between two buildings to pick up a filthy tank car. A “cl-lang” sound with other metal-on-metal noise as they couple on. The brakeman loosens the hand brake on the tank car and flips a signal to the engineman, and the switcher pulls out into the street with a “wheep-wheep-wheep” noise from the locomotive. They cut the tank car and leave it in the street (motorists beware). Now it’s time to shove the B&O car into the siding. There’s a “scrawnch” as the brake sets, then a hard “snap-ah from the airhose as the switcher pulls back a little. The cut lever rattles and then there’s the “ratchet-ratchet-ratchet” noise of the brake wheel being set on the B&O car. Now the brakeman’s riding the end of another car as the locomotive pulls back onto the street. The brakeman locks the plant gate and relines the switch. Now the Alco moves down the street to pick up the tank car. It’s raining harder now, and the brakeman is a hunched figure in a yellow slicker as he bends between the cars to reattach the airhose after the engine couples on. The switcher moves on to the next siding to repeat the ballet throughout the night.

On the other side of town, a train with many head end cars pulled by a pair of green and gold New Haven PAs, pauses at the station. These mail cars are incredibly dirty ones from the Pennsylvania Railroad – a mighty presence whose influence is felt even here. The doors on the cars are open and I can see short, muscular, men swearing and smoking cigars as they wrestle with bags of mail. Air Flo 63s, Blackstones and Phillies are the brands of choice. I would give anything to be one of them, but I’m only eight years old.

work safe



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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:46 AM
Well, I think I'll forgo my "normal" compilation .... looks like we have only a handful of "stuff" to read through .... but that post by Coalminer3 is something else! Gotta read that a couple of times ....... sure hits a home run with me. And, bjdukert - I saw you over in the corner last night ..... most of the guys were in the back room, knocking those little balls around the tables ..... sold a few brews, I'll tell ya ...... [tup][;)]

Ok Coalminer3
Now, I could care less - REPEAT - care less about "Manny" and whatever you think was so splendiforous last evening at Fenway. Before you jump my case - I spent more than a couple of years "up thataway" - as previously explained - and enjoyed that ball park many times ...... even "died with them" for the loss to the Cards in '67 - that was some series. Broke my heart that the Sox couldn't pull it out ..... I never would have imagined making my retirement home in the mid-west - much less the St. Louis area .... but here I am - enjoying it immensely - except for the "Boston" Patriots (I'll always refer to them that way .... I was an "original" AFL fan and remember their "birth") and of course the Sox of 2004. Just "destroyed" many of us in these parts .. the 2002 Super Bowl was give 'n take - either team could've won it .... but the Series - hey - no contest! They were a steamroller ...... Now, where was I?

Oh yeah - you can comment about "Manny" but not a word - not one single syllable about my "classic" post! Arghhhhhhhhh - to the plank with ye Coalminer3 - you've invoked the wrath of the Master of this here ship![oX)]

Seemed that I got carried away - again! Gotta stop drinking the stuff I'm supposed to be selling![}:)]

All kidding aside - GREAT story - I could envision it all as I read through it![tup][tup][tup] - That's a 3-thumbs up - hard to come by 'round these parts![;)]
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Aren't you guys supposed to be working?? Hey - no complaints, just wondering how many of "us" are retirees?

Lunch menu? It's right over there ....... same every day ........ great sandwiches on fresh baked bread with the choicest cuts of lunchmeat in town.

See y'all real soon![tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo)

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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:45 PM
Morning Chris and the crew, coffee with some biscuits and gravy with a side of ham please..Had the oppertunity to study that photo, here's my analysis:

Without a doubt taken in the Feather River Canyon. This portion of the WP was unique for its geological features. Location wise, between Berry Creek and Intake on the old line now sumerged under the waters of the Oroville dam. .
It helps that this location was well photographed by company photgraphers.
Time frame is prior to 1936, WP aquired ex FEC 4-8-2s and they became the principle power for the Flyer.

I'll relate a story about the hazzards of standing too close to trackside..Back when the world was young and dinosaurs and SP SD9s roamed the planet. A aquaintance and I skipped our afternoon classes, out the back fence and behind the bull pen one could gain unauthorized access to the right of way. After a short wait headlights appeared to the east, soon after the sounds of EMD 567s could be discerned. A SP beet train! Three SD9s and two SD40s on the point. My euphoria was short lived, as the lead SD9 passed by me, my father stuck his head out the cab window and gave me a stare that sent chills down my spine! Suffice to say I got a talking to that night about the importance of attending my classes!
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Posted by CFournier on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:33 PM
West Coast S
I can see Berry Creek on my map but where is "Intake"?
And what about the Exposition Flyer? Can you tell me more about this train?
What was it's route? What was it's consist...
Chris
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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier

West Coast S
I can see Berry Creek on my map but where is "Intake"?
And what about the Exposition Flyer? Can you tell me more about this train?
What was it's route? What was it's consist...
Chris
Post 1957 WP timtables did list a Berry Creek, on the new alignment. BC 1and Intake no longer exist. The timetable desgination of intake was replaced by Pulga where the new line regains the orginal alignment through the canyon.

The Exposition Flyer (also know as the Scenic Limited prior to 1938) debut in 1925, operating from Chicago to Denver via the CB&Q, D&RGW from Denver to Salt Lake and WP from Salt Lake to Oakland.

Due to WPs superior alignment in the canyon and the 1% average grades light power such as 4-6-0s, 2-8-0s,2-8-2s provided all the power needed in the early years .

Makeup included heavyweight lounges, coaches, usually a through Pullman sleeper off one of the connecting roads , RPO and observation car.

WP owned very few passenger cars so relied on the D&RGW and the CB&Q for the bulk of its passenger equiptment.

Seven to nine cars would be avarage for this train in the off season, during the summer this could increase due to vacation travel.

The Flyer was discontinued in 1946 being replaced by the California Zepher

.
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Posted by joseph2 on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:21 PM
Hello from Indiana.Cfournier asked why classic eastern railroads had such a drab paint scheme.The NYC gray paint scheme was designed by a color blind person who could only see in shades of gray.Seriously,I read that somewhere.PBR is good enough for me.Joe G.
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Posted by West Coast S on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by joseph2

Hello from Indiana.Cfournier asked why classic eastern railroads had such a drab paint scheme.The NYC gray paint scheme was designed by a color blind person who could only see in shades of gray.Seriously,I read that somewhere.PBR is good enough for me.Joe G.
Sound economic sense I suppose, most eastern roads seemd be involved in the movement of coal or engaged in heavy industry that took a toll on equiptment . There were a few brave souls who defied convention and did a fantastic job with the B&O royal blue, IC orange/brown and VGR black and yellow for example.

A caustic rumor claimed SP staved off bankruptcy by retiring all wash and paint facalities.
No evidence to support such a claim, but at the end, SP power were some filthy, paint peeling or no paint animinals so who can say?
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:25 AM
Just returned from a quick trip to Las Vegas and was truly disappointed with the rail scene their the former downtown yard is of course gone replaced by much new construction including an interesting huge box with few windows. Of course that beautiful classic art deco station has be gone for years a victim of city politics. Almost any other city in the country would have kept such an architecturally classic station. The replacement Union Plaza hotel that served Amtrak Desert Wind is now simply called the Plaza and the Desert Wind is history.
My wifes oldest son was on TDY at Nellis AFB from Georgia so we enjoyed some sightseeing as it was his first time in the city that never sleeps.
The UP traffic was heavy in both directions saw many double stacks eastbound as well as a lesser number westbound. At Yermo yesterday saw a coal train out of Utah headed for Long Beach.
As we crossed to Bakersfield from Barstow lots of traffic on the BNSF many hot shot TOFC trains and general merchandise trains all going westbound with to two units on rear for helper service one BNSF train had tthree new GE's up front spliced by a GP-9 Slug and SW-1500 Slug units interesting head end power. Going down Tehachapi witness a UP train with helpers negotiating the loop first time ever seeing a train long enough to pass over itself on this loop. Traffic on the San Joaquin Valley line that runs alongside 99 witnessed several BNSF trains operating on the UP line running south mixed in with UP traffic. Must have been doing some work on the BNSF line down the valley. TRaffic along the valley seemed to be quite fluid very few trains in sidings. To early for a cognac so will just settle for a coffee. THX
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:32 AM
Good Morning!

A bit stormy here in mid-Continent USA - but all's "comfy" in "Our Place."[8D]

Looks like the dialogue is picking up with some good exchanges going on. Having "fun" is what this idea is all about ........[tup][:D]

I like the idea of "regulars," but would like to see a bit more responsiveness when it comes to guys taking the time to put together a story, etc. - rather than simply ignoring it. That's what other threads do - not appreciated around these parts!
[:(!]

Joke for the day! (a new feature .....)
This one appeared on another thread some weeks back .......

YOU KNOW YOU'RE FROM (fill in the state/province) WHEN:

1. You let your 14-year-old daughter smoke at the
dinner table in front of her kids.

2. The Blue Book value of your truck goes up and down
depending on how much gas is in it.

3. You've been married three times and still have the
same in-laws.

4. You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls
on a different night.

5. You wonder how service stations keep their rest-rooms
so clean.

6. Someone in your family died right after saying,
"Hey, guys, watch this"

7. You think Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader.

8. Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan.

9. Your junior prom offered day care.

10. You think the last words of the "Star-spangled
Banner" are "Gentlemen, start your engines."

11. You lit a match in the bathroom and your house
exploded right off its wheels.

12. The Halloween pumpkin on your porch has more teeth
than your spouse.

13. You have to go outside to get something from the
fridge.

14. One of your kids was born on a pool table.

15. You need one more hole punched in your card to get
a freebie at the House of Tattoos.

16. You can't get married to your sweetheart because
there's a law against it.

17. You think loading the dishwasher means getting your
wife drunk.

Tom - owner/operator/bar keep of "Our Place"

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QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 20 Apr 2005, 12:45:34
Morning Chris and the crew, coffee with some biscuits and gravy with a side of ham please..Had the oppertunity to study that photo, here's my analysis:

Without a doubt taken in the Feather River Canyon. This portion of the WP was unique for its geological features. Location wise, between Berry Creek and Intake on the old line now sumerged under the waters of the Oroville dam. .
It helps that this location was well photographed by company photgraphers.
Time frame is prior to 1936, WP aquired ex FEC 4-8-2s and they became the principle power for the Flyer.

I'll relate a story about the hazzards of standing too close to trackside..Back when the world was young and dinosaurs and SP SD9s roamed the planet. A aquaintance and I skipped our afternoon classes, out the back fence and behind the bull pen one could gain unauthorized access to the right of way. After a short wait headlights appeared to the east, soon after the sounds of EMD 567s could be discerned. A SP beet train! Three SD9s and two SD40s on the point. My euphoria was short lived, as the lead SD9 passed by me, my
father stuck his head out the cab window and gave me a stare that sent chills down my spine! Suffice to say I got a talking to that night about the importance of attending my classes!

Sorry, can't accommodate a "heavy" breakfast - we're "light" around here ... no Chef in the back in the AM ... so I can rustle up a little of this 'n that - nothing fancy - biscuits 'n gravy we've got ..... side of ham - HA!

Now to the serious stuff ..... GREAT STORY! Caught by the Engineer, who just "happened" to be your Dad ...... Guess that "message" has remained with you to this day, eh? Cutting classes to watch trains? Horrors!

Thanx for the post![tup][;)]

QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 20 Apr 2005, 13:33:29
West Coast S
I can see Berry Creek on my map but where is "Intake"?
And what about the Exposition Flyer? Can you tell me more about this train?
What was it's route? What was it's consist...
Chris


QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 20 Apr 2005, 14:26:26
In response to CFournier
Post 1957 WP timtables did list a Berry Creek, on the new alignment. BC 1and Intake no longer exist. The timetable desgination of intake was replaced by Pulga where the new line regains the orginal alignment through the canyon.

The Exposition Flyer (also know as the Scenic Limited prior to 1938) debut in 1925, operating from Chicago to Denver via the CB&Q, D&RGW from Denver to Salt Lake and WP from Salt Lake to Oakland.

Due to WPs superior alignment in the canyon and the 1% average grades light power such as 4-6-0s, 2-8-0s,2-8-2s provided all the power needed in the early years .

Makeup included heavyweight lounges, coaches, usually a through Pullman sleeper off one of the connecting roads , RPO and observation car.

WP owned very few passenger cars so relied on the D&RGW and the CB&Q for the bulk of its passenger equiptment.

Seven to nine cars would be avarage for this train in the off season, during the summer this could increase due to vacation travel.

The Flyer was discontinued in 1946 being replaced by the California Zepher


QUOTE: joseph2 Posted: 20 Apr 2005, 17:21:35
Hello from Indiana.Cfournier asked why classic eastern railroads had such a drab paint scheme.The NYC gray paint scheme was designed by a color blind person who could only see in shades of gray.Seriously,I read that somewhere.PBR is good enough for me.Joe G.

[#welcome]Welcome aboard, Joe! First drink is on the house ....... that's the policy around here - I'm Tom, the owner/operator of "Our Place" ..... you may want to check out the posts from the beginning ...... then you'll be a "regular" in no time at all![tup][;)]

QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 20 Apr 2005, 18:24:18
In response to joseph2
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Sound economic sense I suppose, most eastern roads seemd be involved in the movement of coal or engaged in heavy industry that took a toll on equiptment . There were a few brave souls who defied convention and did a fantastic job with the B&O royal blue, IC orange/brown and VGR black and yellow for example.

A caustic rumor claimed SP staved off bankruptcy by retiring all wash and paint
facalities.

No evidence to support such a claim, but at the end, SP power were some filthy, paint peeling or no paint animinals so who can say?

==========================================
See y'all real soon![tup][;)]

Tom in Chesterfield, MO, USA (Siberianmo)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:48 AM
Well, good morning. Since the menu is "light" I will take an order on biscuits and gravy and a steaming cup of coffee, black please. Tom, you are doing a wonderful job at starting and encouraging great conversations. Stormy down here in this corner of the show-me state, too.
Been going thru my old Trains mags and looking for things I've missed or something that might be of interest again. The current issue is, in my opinion, the best they have put out in ages. I like all facets of rring, but especially enjoy anything preservation related and first person reports of life on the rail. The photo looking out the door of the NYC RS3 makes me want the operating season to begin so I can resume the right hand seat of a identical loco.
Kinda slow on BNSF this morning. Usually about 10 trains have passed my vantage point by now but only about 4 since sunup. No coal trains either. These usually have 2 road engines on the point, about 130 cars, and 3 pushers that stay on for all 126 miles of the Thayer North sub. Sometimes 3 of these trains are stacked up waiting to get out.
But I digress from the classic trains topic. this weekend I will see how the local rail museum fared over the winter. We repainted the steamer's cab interior last fall and are touching up the tender. The speeder and handcar were tarped and with the new paint on the double decker coach and the baggage car and caboose, everything should look great. The caboose interior is being repainted, also. I may try to hook up the hose and wa***he loco in preparation for opening in May.
For the earlier customer contemplating purchasing a rail car, my suggestion would be a late model, steel caboose. They can be found easy, and are light enough to be moved by truck fairly cheap, and are easy to restore and maintain. Wooden equipment is a never ending maintenance headache.{Just like trackage}. Enough for now.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:58 AM
Good Morning, Earlydiesels! Thanx for stopping by and sharing your thougths with us. Appreciate the kind words - everyone like's to hear 'em now and then![tup][;)]

Just wondering - where are you located in the Show-Me-State? You gotta hook up with a friend of mine - trolleyboy (Rob) up in Ontario. He's into museum work - big time - although traction is "where it's at" for him. He really is a 'font' of info when it comes to rail and preservation .......

So, I gather that you not only are involved in rail preservation but also into real railroad ops as well. Why not share a bit of that with us too? Hey - no problem - I'm the "bar keep" around here, and if someone doesn't like it - I hope the door doesn't hit 'em in the caboose (so to speak)![;)]

Hope your day ends with lots of sunshine ..... it's been peeking out at us for the last hour, so the storms must have skipped 'round to the south (again).

See ya![tup]d[;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:33 PM
Down here in SW Mo the sun is shining for a while. That's the only good thing about today. Doctors.
Storms are brewing off to the west but sitting here with the tall,cold glass of water (with lemon) that Tom brought I'm saying bring it on! Coal train crossing and he's slowing. That means he has a red and the train is too long to clear the crossing so I'll be hearing bells for a while. Well, dispatcher must have knocked down the red cause now he's gaining speed and I hear the pushers now. 3 of them.
Would like to share more about rr preservation. Most every town of consequence on a railroad has a caboose or a depot or at least a mention of the rr history there. I like to seek these out to kinda sew together a fabric in my head of the way things used to be when this country was growing and the railroad was what made it all possible. Being from SW Mo my favorite rr is the Frisco but have memories of Katy and Rock Island too. Now I am involved in 3 rr groups ranging from a static museum to a group that sponsors occasional excursions on a freight rr to a 11 mile, scheduled tourist railroad.
Well, my thought processes are going in about 8 different directions and I seem to be rambling so I will fade into a corner over here by the jukebox and hope someone will play something good and perhaps another would like the glow of the amber light.
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Posted by CFournier on Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:09 PM
Hello ereryone,
Great stories from you guys, this is entertaining. I would have a suggestion for you Tom. I think you should backdate the picture of "OUR PLACE" with cars and engine from the 40's or 50's since it's a forum about classic trains. Then post it again and use it as a signature at the end of your posts.
Got to go but would stay if you have pastrami and cheese curds with a Carrabasset ale.
Chris

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