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P&WV: Anyone know what these stations were?

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Posted by Longview on Friday, May 28, 2021 9:52 AM
P&WV crews went on & off duty at both OX (Rook) and Bowest (BW). Bower Hill is a station about 3 miles west of Rook, but not a terminal. For the technically minded Bowest is several miles east of the end of P&WV main track which creates the 3 mile difference from Rook. Also keep in mind for the P&WV to reach the Western Maryland in Connellsville, there was "roughly" 2,000 feet of trackage rights on the P&LE, who by the way controlled the interlocking in Connellsville.
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Posted by NittanyLion on Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:27 AM

BaltACD

 Telegraph symbols may or may not have any mnemonic relationship to the particular location.

Indeed, my hometown's PRR/B&O junction was "VO."  Neither of those letters are relevant to anything in town and I suspect they were just available.

mvlandsw

Could the "Bowert" be Bowest on the Western Maryland? Did P&WV power go there to be serviced or turned?

 

You raise an interesting point.  I'll admit that I know very little about the P&WV and WM.  That said, Bowest does seem to be a location that P&WV crews went on duty.  The form reports that the crew operated for 59 miles.  

Connellsville to Rook is 56.12 miles.  I can't find any data on the distance from Connellsville (or the exact point where "Connellsville" is, according to the P&WV, in the first place) to Bowest.  Tracing the line from Bowest to the river comes out at 1.7 miles.  That's 57.82 miles.  Not much of a stretch to put "Connellsville" another mile or so north of there.  That's pretty dang close to 59 miles from Bowest to Rook.

What I do know about Rook is that it was the P&WV's only major on-line yard.  The bits do seem to be pointing to BO being Bowest (one of the two terminal points for the P&WV) and OX being Rook (the next and only major yard, roughly far enough away to meet the mileage requirements).

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Posted by mvlandsw on Monday, April 26, 2021 11:12 PM

Could the "Bowert" be Bowest on the Western Maryland? Did P&WV power go there to be serviced or turned?

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, April 26, 2021 9:32 AM

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I have a habit of looking for old railroad paperwork when antiquing and recently found a P&WV Form 1209-D, which lists the details of service for a specific engine crew on a given day.  The one I have is from July 9, 1936.  Most of the data is decipherable, but I cannot figure out where this crew went on duty and off duty.  The station codes are BW and OX.

Another box on the form has what looks like "Bowert" or "BowerH."  Now, there's a "Bower Hill" station, but I don't know enough about the P&WV to assume that BW means Bower Hill.  I have no clue what OX could mean.

Anyone familiar enough with the P&WV to know what these mean?

Feel certain BW and OX are the telegraph symbols that the P&WV used for particular locations.  Without having some P&WV documentation of where those symbols were assigned you will be out of luck.  Telegraph symbols may or may not have any mnemonic relationship to the particular location.

On the B&O, the West end of New Castle, PA was 'OA' and the East end was 'UN'.  In Baltimore Terminal North Avenue was 'NA' and Bayview was 'BA'.  YMMV  I have no idea what, if any, system was used to originally assign the symbols.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, April 26, 2021 12:12 AM

Best I have for you is this map with station names.  They don't appear helpful....

https://www.american-rails.com/images/5746391058wwurh17758doqour17910ooop09.jpg

and this 1922 list of stations and 'points of interest' along the line, which has no indication of telegraph code I can see.  (Note that the "O"s are likely zeroes in the numbering system...)

http://www.multimodalways.org/docs/railroads/companies/P&WV/P&WV%20BTS%2012-1922.pdf

Here is an account of the CTC conversion finished in 1951; it has some notes about the previous method of operation that might be useful in some way.

https://www.jonroma.net/media/signaling/railway-signaling/1951/P%26WV%20Signals%20Entire%20Main%20Line.pdf

Can you scan and post the form?

 

 

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P&WV: Anyone know what these stations were?
Posted by NittanyLion on Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:30 PM

I have a habit of looking for old railroad paperwork when antiquing and recently found a P&WV Form 1209-D, which lists the details of service for a specific engine crew on a given day.  The one I have is from July 9, 1936.  Most of the data is decipherable, but I cannot figure out where this crew went on duty and off duty.  The station codes are BW and OX.

Another box on the form has what looks like "Bowert" or "BowerH."  Now, there's a "Bower Hill" station, but I don't know enough about the P&WV to assume that BW means Bower Hill.  I have no clue what OX could mean.

Anyone familiar enough with the P&WV to know what these mean?

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