The following is an excerpt from the in-preperation book by Jack May on Third Avenue Railways - Third Avenue Transit:
The Three Cent Line was finally moved to its own tracks on the south side of the upper level on December 12, 1915, but the wire was not removed from the B&NR’s upper level tracks until January 15, 1916. Rapid transit service over the south side of the lower level, connecting the Fourth Avenue subway in Brooklyn with the Centre Street line in Manhattan began on June 22, 1915, which was just a month after the streetcars were moved to the upper level. On September 4, 1917 the fourth and last pair of tracks went into service. The north side of the lower level became the BMT’s most important link to Manhattan, connecting its network in the southern part of Brooklyn with its trunk line on Broadway, bypassing the financial district. (On November 26, 1967, service from the north side tracks was routed into the new Chrystie Street subway, connecting with the IND Sixth Avenue line; the south side tracks were then connected to the BMT Broadway subway, resulting in the severing of the connection to the BMT Centre Street line.)
Thanks David! The only thing missing is a picture. I'll take care of that right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Bridge#/media/File:Manhattan_Bridge_by_David_Shankbone.jpg
Beautiful bridge. Hard to believe it dates from 1909. They built 'em good back then!
The picture can be posted, since David Shankbone authotizes its use for non-commercial purposes if credit is given. Even commercial purposes are allowed, if congitions are observed.
daveklepperHudson and Watts was used as a temporary terminal until curves could be installed at Canal and Vestry Streets connecting the New York Railways trackage with the Dry Dock’s Grand Street line. The Board of Estimate approved the connection on April 24, 1913 and the work was completed a month later. On June 6, 1913 the line was extended to the Desbrosses Street ferry via Vestry, Greenwich and Desbrosses Streets.
Maps, and diagrams of the bridges, perhaps repeated inline with the text, will almost be necessary to make sense if some of this to the reader, for example in understanding "overcrowding at Park Row". While most true enthusiasts will understand this, anyone reading this as a first taste of NYC transit probably won't, and even footnote references to other works to 'get the context' would start to address this.
Vestry St still exists, a block south of Desbrosses St. No reason to think Vesey St was involved.
The only part of Vestry St. I was familiar with has Hudson River views, which threw me off. It does not help that Trinity, of which I was a parishioner, is responsible for naming both those streets.
Jack May is known for his accuracy, and of course the book will have maps, charts, and photos, matching the excellence of his work with Joe Bromley on the excellent Toronto Transportation Commission book.
But Overmod. did you know that Larry King, Jerry Marshall, and I redid the Trinity Church sound system sometime in the early 1980's. using as much as possible of the earlier Dave Demarest - Ed Seeley system. We got the job because of the success at St. Thomas 5th Ave, continuous use for 50 years by November 2021.
Given the, flood, Trinity probably has a replacement, and I was very unhappy about the destruction of the fine Aeolian Skinner organ
I had no idea you'd done either. I was almost married in St. Thomas (and probably in retrospect should have been!) so that is good work too.
daveklepperGiven the flood, Trinity probably has a replacement, and I was very unhappy about the destruction of the fine Aeolian Skinner organ
Both Larry King, Trinity Church's Music Director & Organist, and my partner Larry King were involved in my work.
Jack May has told me that Brooklyn and North River, the Third Avenue conduit opersation on the north pair of tracks. quit in 1919, and Manhattan 3-Cent line. suth pair wired, in 1929. Wicki says upper auto roadway in 1920, which would be the north upper-level. and we can presume the south upper-level in 1930.
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