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New Haven images
Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:02 AM

Two color pictures are of trains I could easily have been on at the time the  photos were taken.  The Senator at Stoney Creek with Alco power and the Murrey Hill at New Haven with FL9s.  Unhappy with the photo quality, did something about it.

The New Haven leased AT&SF baggage-mail cars when the Central banned wood baggage cars from GCT.

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:55 AM

Nice shots David!  Thanks!

Those Alcos look good in that classic New Haven scheme!

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:18 AM

But they're not my photos.  I simply used MSPaint and MSPhoto Editor to improve them.  I did not draw anything but used a bit of contrast mnodification and cut-and-past to make them closer to what I remember of realitiy of the equipment and the environmenet.  See the NH images on this website, please.

And Stoney Creek is not far from the Shore Line Trolley Museum, Brandford Electric Railway Association. New Haven. East Haven, Branford, Stoney Creek.  It was the farthest extent of the Brandford F1 streetcar line, and there was a junction there with the Shore Line Electric's New Haven - New London interurban, which had a more inland route between New Haven and Stoney Creek.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:05 AM

Oh, I don't care if they're not yours David, I'm just glad for your posting them!

And you did a nice job on the enhancements.

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:13 PM

It's worth noting that some postwar Santa Fe equipment was excluded from Penn Station and GCT as the outside swing hanger trucks AT&SF used weren't considered safe around the third rails.  Kind of surprising that ATSF 104 in the photo (from series 99-110 full RPO, Budd 1964) clearly has outside swing hanger trucks.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:51 PM

Possibly, if memory is correct, they were safe around the underrunning third rail into GCT, but not the overhead-with-protection-board into Penn.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:57 PM

They may have been built as full-RPO, but on the NYNH&H their main duty was in baggage service  because that is where they were needed. 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:59 PM

Do we have any account of the number of New Haven passenger-train cars that actually have "NYH&H" instead of "New Haven" spelled out on their letterboards, as it appears these ex-ATSF cars did...

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:09 PM

I used the NYNH&H regularly 1938, age six - 1996, age 64.  I do not recall any other passenger equipment, other than AT&SF Budd, that had NYNH&H instead of New Haven on the letterboard or centered below the belt rail as originally on the 8200s (American Flyers).

Many post-WWII lightweights had the styalized NYNH&H logo in two square panels in from the doors below the belt rail, and some of these may have lacked any letterboard lettering.  These panels were repainted with the McGinnis N over H.

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, February 23, 2020 3:16 PM

A little further research --- AT&SF 104 had GSC 41-CDO-11 trucks - the CDO = 9 ft wb, Budd disk brakes and outside swing hangers.  I know some of the AT&SF sleepers assigned to transcontinental pools had the same trucks.  I'll have to dig a bit deeper to find the article about "western" cars banned from GCT or Penn - I'm sure it's here somewhere...

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:38 PM

rcdrye
A little further research ---

While you are at it, didn't the New Haven have some of the widest OSH trucks ever built?  There's a picture in White's The American Passenger Car that notes this explicitly, although I don't know the specific series involved.  Was it the detail design of the truck that provided the danger of 'interference'?

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:01 PM

Speaking of New Haven's truck, the Pullman-built 12-wheel 48-Seat streamlined dining car not only available as HO scale model but also in the computer game Trainz for free

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:44 PM

Hey!  Jonesy's back!  Cool!  I was getting worried!

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 10:31 PM

No worries, my friend. I am recently interested in topics like proposed but never built gigantic battleships due to the signing of the Washington Naval Treaty in 1922. And yes, I have to admit that I am having great fun playing the computer game 'Would of Warship' recently. Stick out tongue

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, February 24, 2020 6:23 AM

Overmod
While you are at it, didn't the New Haven have some of the widest OSH trucks ever built? There's a picture in White's The American Passenger Car that notes this explicitly, although I don't know the specific series involved. Was it the detail design of the truck that provided the danger of 'interference'?

It may have something to do with the relative placement of the hangers.  The last few sleepers the New Haven bought (the State and Beach series cars) in 1954 and 1955 had 41-BNO-11 trucks (per the Pullman Project database).  8 foot wb, non-disk brakes, and outside hangers.  Those were used through Penn (on the Montrealer/Washingtonian and Federal, among others) and into Grand Central on various trains, so it's possible that whatever had banned the cars before had been removed.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, February 24, 2020 4:51 PM

I happened to dust off some old slides that have been in a closet for years. In the first group were these:

 Amtrak_New-Haven_11-71 by Edmund, on Flickr

 NYNHnH_Shell_Tower_11-71_washboards by Edmund, on Flickr

Both from November, of 1971. The Washboards were photographed at Shell Tower, Signal Station 22.

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:06 PM

The two New Haven trains into and out of Grand Central Terminal were the State-of-Maine with sleepers to Bangor, Portland, and Concord, NH, and the Owl with a drop and pickup Providence sleeper, otherwise NY - Boston.  NH trains in and ot of Penn were the Montrealer-Washikngtonian, and the Federal, plus a through Boston - Pirrsburgh sleeper. forget which trains it used Penn - Boston. Earlier there was Boston - Florida service, reestablished after WWII, but dropped pretty quickly.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:21 PM

Montrealer/Washingtonian had a setout car in Penn that originated in White River Jct. VT (exc. Saturday). In earlier days it had been handled on the Night White Mountains between WRJ and GCT.  Two of the B&M's 1954-built "Beach" 6 sect, 6 rmt 4 DBR cars were renamed "Dartmouth College I" and "Dartmouth College II" for this service.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:30 PM

Correct.  Should have listed it.  At various times it came from and went to Washington.  Rode it more than once, in connection with work on Dartmoth College's Hopkins Center with Spaulding Auditorium.

Do you know which NYNH&H trains carried the Pittsburgh sleeper?

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