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NDG
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Posted by NDG on Sunday, November 3, 2019 1:52 PM
Further CP 5164.
 
I have a VERY GOOD side view of CP 5164 at St. Luc, Montreal
in 1956 clearly showing the C. Feedwater Heater and it's plumbing,
which a friend sent me a year or so ago.
 
Previous to the arrival of this photo, I did not know any CP locomotives had such a device.
 
CP 5164 does NOT appear on a CP list from July, 1960 of Held Serviceable Steam
in Montreal, the last steam engines running final week of June 1960.
 
After Photobucket I have not discovered a good method on how to post images on the Internet.
 
The CP locomotives look good in the photographs, and, the Number Plate is a nice touch,.
 
Appearance DID count on CPR, back then.
 
The CFWH necessitates the location of the headlight, it in itself having the
illuminated number in it's upper portion, rather than the Triangular number box..
 
Modern Style Number Box. Westmount, Quebec. D&H RS2 to right.  A PA in Yellow and Black?
 
 
Yard Diesels used in Road Service received Electric Number Boxes and Class Lamps.
 
This one has Watchman Heater ahead of cab, right side, to keep Diesel warm
when shut down at remote points. It's stack appears above hood in front of
Engineer's window.
 
 
FWIW.
 
The five locomotives in the Ste. Agathe photo are all carrying White Flags..
 
Yes, one 1 is a Pacific.
 
A 2-8-2 was a good locomotive for this job, as could make speed up to
Timetable limitations and have the power to handle the mountain grades.
 
We used to travel this route back in the Fifties, in a RDC, which was a
novel way to travel for the time.
 
Long ago.
 
Thank You.
 
A Nice Image.
 
 
Not so nice.
 
Ready for the Torch?? Another CP 2-8-2.
 
 
Many Variances, here.
 
 
I suggest the large pipe on Fireman's Side conducts Superheated Steam to Turret.

 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, November 3, 2019 10:06 AM

Flintlock76
have you ever seen pictures of the Coffin feedwater heaters on some B&M locomotives?

I've liked that specific look since I was a small child.  From the side, it makes the boiler look longer, and works perfectly with the double-pump shrouds underneath.  Not sure it is any worse than a Frankenstein-brow exposed Elesco heater, either.  It would certainly, I think, improve the appearance of a Niagara or other locomotive with one of those Selkirk-front-end smokebox door arrangements.  And wouldn't it have been a colossal improvement on those K6a Pacifics (otherwise among the best of all the NYC 4-6-2s)?

I never thought about how it would look 'exposed', but now thanks to NDG we know (at least in the smaller size used on the class pictured) and it's pretty good.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, November 3, 2019 8:58 AM

Well we know Coffin feedwater heaters were named for the guy who invented them, and not for the, uh, "packing cases" for the deceased, but have you ever seen pictures of the Coffin feedwater heaters on some B&M locomotives?

Aptly named.  Made 'em look downright creepy.  Looky...

http://www.llarson.com/steam/schenzinger/images/NA33.jpg  

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, November 3, 2019 8:13 AM

NDG
The important thing is that the locomotive Second from Left, CP 5164,  has a Coffin Feedwater Heater.

Can someone explain to me why the thing isn't better lagged?  Here we are in winter and you can see the pipe arrangement clearly; all the American versions have a boxlike casing (presumably containing insulation or at least 'dead air') around their plumbing.

Would make for a highly interesting superdetailed model, that's for sure! 

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Posted by NDG on Saturday, November 2, 2019 10:00 PM
FYI,
 
CP 5164.
 
This is another view of the CP 5 steam locomotive lineup.
 
Certain front on views claim the image is at Chapleau, in Western Ontario, which is WRONG.!
 
That photo and this one here are at Ste Agathe, Quebec, heading up Ski Trains
 to return to Montreal.
 
The important thing is that the locomotive Second from Left, CP 5164, 
has a Coffin Feedwater Heater.
 
Only one on CP.
 
 
Thank You.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, November 2, 2019 7:59 PM

Flintlock76
Great shots, both!

The first one looks like a locomotive drag race is about to start.

The second!  Look at how those engines sparkle!  Boiler jackets are so clean you could eat off 'em!  Talk about company pride!

Compare it to an Amtrak consist and you want to weep.

All it takes is money, manpower and esprit de corp - all of which Amtrak lacks.

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:53 PM

Great shots, both!

The first one looks like a locomotive drag race is about to start.

The second!  Look at how those engines sparkle!  Boiler jackets are so clean you could eat off 'em!  Talk about company pride!

Compare it to an Amtrak consist and you want to weep.

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Line 'em up
Posted by Miningman on Saturday, November 2, 2019 1:51 PM

We have all seen great lineups of power... GG1's for football games, Baldwin line ups outside the assembly plant, that iconic lineup of 7 sections for the 20th Century Limited in the golden age 1920's, CNR 6400's outside the MLW plant.

Here are a couple more, perhaps less well known but pretty spiffy nonetheless. If you have any to add please do so!

 

Lineup of Passenger Extras waiting to take skiers back home. 5117_5164_5184_G2_P1. 
St-Agathe circa 1935 L.O.Leach 

Note: Typical train consisted of baggage car for skis and injured skiers plus 10 coaches!

Injured skiers! They thought of everything.

This one is rather breathtaking. I feel like I was there.

Kentville, Nova Scotia 

Pacific 2552, Ten-wheelers 999, 544 and 32. 4-4-0 25 in a great photo line-up. Kentville Yard 1937
Canadian Pacific Railway/Steve Morris Collection

 

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