C&O Business Cars

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C&O Business Cars
Posted by ghCBNS on Monday, April 15, 2019 7:15 AM

Riding CN’s ‘Scotian’ from Halifax to Montreal back in July 1972….I was surprised to see two C&O Business Cars on the wye at Oxford Jct., Nova Scotia ready to be picked-up by our train. (The C&O Chairman at the time was Cyrus Eaton…..originally from Nova Scotia and often returned to his home here.)

Early the next morning the ‘Scotian’ stopped for servicing at Riviere-du-Loup, Quebec and I went back for photos. 

The ‘Scotian’ was the running mate of the ‘Ocean Limited’ and operated about 6 hrs later. Here it is at Levis (3rd photo) across the St. Lawrence from Quebec City later that morning.  

 

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, April 15, 2019 10:35 AM

Nice catch! Great photos. Thanks for this. Hope to see more from you.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, April 15, 2019 12:26 PM

In the early days of the C&O/B&O association - Cyrus Eaton owned at farm in Northfield, OH as the C&O's corporate offices were in the Terminal Tower in Cleveland.  In the summer of 1962 or 1963 he hosted a party at his farm for all the B&O and C&O employees in the NE Ohio area.  I took a number of pictures at the event, however, they are not posted on 3rd party servers to be able to be displayed here - and they are of people, not anything railroad significant.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, April 15, 2019 6:37 PM

Snapped a few pics of this ex-CSXT coach at the B&O roundhouse a couple of years back:

The number read "CSXT 940700 MW" which I presume means it was used by maintenance crews.

No interiors:

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, April 15, 2019 8:41 PM

Thank you ghCBNS for sharing your photos, they look like new photos taken yesterday! 

Looking at one of the pics posted by Becky makes me wonder what was the first coach or sleeper built using window rubber seal and what kind of material was used for weatherstripping to ensure a quiet and comfortable ride under bad but not severe weather conditions. I don't believe that watering leaking was tolerated by Pullman and any railroad.

The bed or the lower berth was right next to the window of a sleeper, if there was water leaking and no unoccupied berth or room available, that could be a frustrating situation for the passenger and the Pullman porter as well... 

 

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:11 AM

Slowly deteriorating to junk status.  Sad.

And is that a sanding tower behind the car in the first photo?

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Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:04 PM

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Slowly deteriorating to junk status.  Sad.

And is that a sanding tower behind the car in the first photo?

 

You can see it a bit better in these:

MRPS is an active restoration site, there's lots of rust and crumbling mortar, but also a lot of scraping, pointing and painting goin on down there.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:19 AM

So it is a sanding tower, and with a windsock no less!

Well, you never know when a passing airliner might need it's sandboxes filled.

God bless that groups efforts.  I hope they haven't bitten off more than they can chew.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:27 PM

The roundhouse, not surprisingly, is right along side an active CSX yard.  In this pic the diesel waiting on the line at left belongs to MRPS and they use it for very short excursions out and back at open houses.

So I assume they just aquired it as-is and in-place when CSX stopped using it.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:39 PM

This one's not a business car per se, but at the far end of this line of equipment is an Amtrak coach that was used by President Carter.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:45 PM

Penny Trains
The roundhouse, not surprisingly, is right along side an active CSX yard.

This thread conjures up some fond memories for me on two fronts.

One, I used to be an occasional "steward" on the former C&O Business car #3, since renamed Chapel Hill.

 C&O_3_1974C_edited-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

One of the first trips I made was a five-week adventure from coast-to-coast covering Dayton, Ohio to Montreal, then across Canada to Vancouver, back again to Chicago only to continue to Newport News, on C&O territory, back to Cincinnati and Dayton Whew!

Secondly, the West 3rd. St. roundhouse photos remind me of the days I spent there in the mid 1970s while the B&O was still using the roundhouse. Back then the old wood-timber coal dock was where locomotives were sanded. The modern steel tower was probably added around 1980 or so.

 B&O_W3readytrack by Edmund, on Flickr

I would spend the entire weekend there and camp out in one of those cabooses. In one of PennyTrain's photos you can just see the top of Bridge 460 in the background which wasn't cut off by a highway bridge in the early 1970s photo.

One day in August, 1972, I watched the unveiling of the new Chessie System paint scheme. Glad I had some 8mm film with me Smile

Yep, those were some fun times, alright!

Thank You, Ed

 

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:23 PM

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Penny Trains
The roundhouse, not surprisingly, is right along side an active CSX yard.

 

This thread conjures up some fond memories for me on two fronts.

One, I used to be an occasional "steward" on the former C&O Business car #3, since renamed Chapel Hill.

 C&O_3_1974C_edited-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

One of the first trips I made was a five-week adventure from coast-to-coast covering Dayton, Ohio to Montreal, then across Canada to Vancouver, back again to Chicago only to continue to Newport News, on C&O territory, back to Cincinnati and Dayton Whew!

Secondly, the West 3rd. St. roundhouse photos remind me of the days I spent there in the mid 1970s while the B&O was still using the roundhouse. Back then the old wood-timber coal dock was where locomotives were sanded. The modern steel tower was probably added around 1980 or so.

 B&O_W3readytrack by Edmund, on Flickr

I would spend the entire weekend there and camp out in one of those cabooses. In one of PennyTrain's photos you can just see the top of Bridge 460 in the background which wasn't cut off by a highway bridge in the early 1970s photo.

One day in August, 1972, I watched the unveiling of the new Chessie System paint scheme. Glad I had some 8mm film with me Smile

Yep, those were some fun times, alright!

Thank You, Ed

Worked Bridge 460 for several weeks in 1968 and then was Asst. to Trainmaster at Clark Avenue for several months in 1971.  The operation then vs. now are the differences between night and day.

When the Chessie System corporate ID was rolled out I was Asst. Trainmaster at Bayview Yard in Baltimore.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:41 PM

BaltACD
Worked Bridge 460 for several weeks in 1968 and then was Asst. to Trainmaster at Clark Avenue for several months in 1971.

I showed up there when those nuts with that steam engine arrived in '74 or so.

 BnO_460-19 by Edmund, on Flickr

 BnO_460-19_2 by Edmund, on Flickr

I mostly hung around Tom Louderback and Lou Panek and the whole crew at the roundhouse. We spent hours there spinning tales of "Railroad Lore".

Cheers, Ed

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:02 PM

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BaltACD
Worked Bridge 460 for several weeks in 1968 and then was Asst. to Trainmaster at Clark Avenue for several months in 1971. 

I showed up there when those nuts with that steam engine arrived in '74 or so.

 BnO_460-19 by Edmund, on Flickr

 BnO_460-19_2 by Edmund, on Flickr

I mostly hung around Tom Louderback and Lou Panek and the whole crew at the roundhouse. We spent hours there spinning tales of "Railroad Lore".

Cheers, Ed

 

 

As I recall Dispatcher WCG was Walter C. Gruder.  The Dispatchers Office in Akron consisted of three desks.  The Akron Main Line desk had UN Tower at New Castle to Willard.  The 'Chicago' desk had from the J Tower at the West end of Willard to Pine Jct. at Gary, IN - It was current of traffic signalling from J Tower to Sherwood, OH and CTC from Sherwood to Pine Jct.  The third desk was the 'Branch' desk that was all TT&TO territory - Lake Sub from Ohio Jct to Painesville, the Old Line from Deforest Jct to Newton Falls, the CT&V from Cleveland to Mineral City, the Cleveland Sub from Cleveland to Lester, the CL&W from Lorain to Sterling and from Warwick to Holloway in addition to the Medina Sub from Lester to Lake Jct.

I don't know if Mr. Gruder retired before or when the office got transferred to Jacksonville by CSX.

I obtained my Train Dispatcher seniority on the Akron-Chicago Division in 1970 and as was the custom at the time was qualified on all three desks.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:47 PM

gmpullman
One, I used to be an occasional "steward" on the former C&O Business car #3, since renamed Chapel Hill.

C&O_3_1974C_edited-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

Is that you in the photo?  I thought it was Christopher Reeves!  Big Smile

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:17 PM

Penny Trains
Is that you in the photo?  I thought it was Christopher Reeves!

Most people say I look more like Mr. Bean Whistling

 C&O_3_1974B by Edmund, on Flickr

Well, in later years, anyway!

Me again on the left:

 4070_CAH_akron by Edmund, on Flickr

BaltACD
The third desk was the 'Branch' desk that was all TT&TO territory - Lake Sub from Ohio Jct to Painesville,

I live only a mile or so from the Lake Branch near Chardon, Oh. Here is a photo of the last pair of Geeps in Chardon, that were assigned to the rail-ripping train back in Summer of 1983, thereabouts:

 Chardon_BnO-4158 by Edmund, on Flickr

Regards, Ed

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:57 AM

Lake Sub in better days

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