Buffalo, Rochester,& Pittsburgh

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Buffalo, Rochester,& Pittsburgh
Posted by Fr.Al on Tuesday, April 09, 2019 5:03 PM

Since I've been transplanted to Western Pennsylvania, I've learned of this line. Any enthusiasts out there?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:26 PM

I have always been intrigued by the branch thru Foxburg with its switchbacks.  I even rode the line between Kane and Mt. Jewett and onto the ex-Erie to the Kinzua bridge, when the tourist line was still running in 2002.  Since then the tourist line was abandoned and the Erie bridge knocked down by a tornado.

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Posted by Fr.Al on Wednesday, April 10, 2019 12:43 PM

I seem to remember coming across that tourist line, back in 1992, when I traveled across Pennsylvania on US 6.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 10, 2019 9:18 PM

The BR&P became the B&O's Buffalo Division after took it over in the 1930's.  During the B&O operation of the property Dubois Shop was a major heavy repair shop.  I believe Dubois Shop manufactured the tenders for the streamlined P7-D Pacifics for the B&O's 1947 streamlined Cincinnatian. 

CSX sold the trackage North of Eidenau, PA to the B&P (Buffalo & Pittsburgh) in the late 1980's.  Approximately 2005 (+/-) CSX wanted to do away with the P&W SubDivision West of control point Field.  The AVL (Allegheney Valley) and B&P stepped in.  The B&P had been using the track from Eidenau to New Castle as trackage rights to deliver their interchange to CSX at New Castle.  With CSX wanting to get rid of the P&W, both the shortline carriers stepped up to the plate - The AVL leased trackage form Glenwood Yard (East of Field) to Allison Park.  The B&P leased from Allison Park to New Castle.  CSX Dispatching stops at the control point Field - where Amtrak 29 & 30 go to NS trackage and Amtrak's Pittsburgh station. 

In the Summer of 1967, I worked the Train Order Operators positions on the P&W of FY Tower, Etna, Bakerstown and Eidenau; at that time the P&W was a double track Current of Traffic signalled railroad - the P&W was part of the original route of the Capitol Limited between Pittsburgh and New Castle.

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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:05 AM
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Posted by Fr.Al on Thursday, April 11, 2019 10:22 AM

Wow, was the Capitol Limited still running in '67? That would have been pre-Amtrak.

    On another note, the Indiana, PA railroad station has been converted into a restaurant. They have an awesome selection of food and draft beers. An added bonus is that each table has a small book with photos of the railroad. The tracks are still active, but so far, I've only seen one train while eating there. A worthwhile destination, if I may say so.

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, April 12, 2019 7:40 AM

I've had a soft spot for the BR&P ever since RMC had a good article on the B&O Mallets with the 3 truck Vanderbilt tenders right before they started Railfan magazine.  Twenty years ago, I was in the area and stopped by Dubois.  The shops were in use by Rescar and I just checked Google Earth and it seems most of the steam backshop is still there.

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Posted by Fr.Al on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:00 AM

My roommate in seminary who later became my nephew through marriage, is from Dubois. In fact, his uncle once worked for the B&O. The uncle got him a ride in the cab of a steam locomotive out of Salamanca, NY.

      In fact a cousin of his is our dean and rector of our church in Dubois. His late father worked for the B&O. I have a parishioner in his 80' s who was a gandy dancer for the B&O. He was drafted for Korea; when he got back, they didn't have a job for him.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, April 12, 2019 8:18 PM

Fr.Al
Wow, was the Capitol Limited still running in '67? That would have been pre-Amtrak.

The B&O ran the Capitol Limited until the creation of Amtrak.  In the late 30's, I believe, the B&O obtained trackage rights to operate selected passenger and freight trains over the P&LE from UN Tower at New Castle, PA to MK Tower at McKeesport, PA - the route that CSX uses today.  Using the P&LE route instead of the P&W route between McKeesport and New Castle saved approximately a hour and a half.  The P&W was mountain railroading climbing Bakerstown Hill in both directions; the P&LE was a water level grade.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, April 12, 2019 8:47 PM

I meant to give the brief answer to Father Al's question about the Capitol Limited in1967 by commenting that I rode it from Chicago to Washington in June of 1968 and that it was being operated, as Balt responded, until Amtrak came into operation.

I bought my ticket in Chicago, and had a little trouble getting the ticket seller to understand that I wanted a ticket to Baltimore and a slumbercoach room to Washington.

At the time, whether you rode PRR or B&O between Chicago and either Baltimore or Washington the price of a ticket was the same--$32.53 OW coach.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:47 PM

There's an ex-BR&P passenger car at a winery not too far from here.  The owner of the winery is an avid railfan, and I believe his intention was (or may still be) to convert it for use as a restaurant...

The other side is more difficult to photograph, but still bears the Buffalo Rochester & Pittsburgh name in the letterboard....

There are also several cabooses and possibly some older tank cars on the property, too.

Wayne

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 21, 2019 7:21 AM

doctorwayne
There's an ex-BR&P passenger car at a winery not too far from here.  The owner of the winery is an avid railfan, and I believe his intention was (or may still be) to convert it for use as a restaurant...

 

 

 

The other side is more difficult to photograph, but still bears the Buffalo Rochester & Pittsburgh name in the letterboard....

 

 

There are also several cabooses and possibly some older tank cars on the property, too.

 

Wayne

The B&O agreed in March 1929 to the purchase of the BR&P from the Alleghany Corporation, getting ICC approval in February of the following year. The deal yielded the B&O the BR&P, the Buffalo and Susquehanna Railroad, and the Mt Jewett, Kinzua, and Riterville. It gave the Van Sweringens the Wheeling and Lake Erie. The formal hand-over occurred on 1 January 1932, forever ending the Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh Railway.

The B&O Historical Society's newsletter 'The Sentinal' just published an article on what was likely the last piece of BR&P equipment on the B&O property - a baggage car being used in MofW service B&O 910568 that was pictured in 1982 in a severely deteroirated condition.   

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, April 27, 2019 12:29 AM

Thanks for that info on the BR&P.  I recall seeing the passenger car being delivered to the winery, but don't recall the year.  I must've been headed somewhere important, or I surely would have stuck around to watch the whole operation. 

If it's of any use to you, I could probably stop in there someday (it's only a 10 minute drive from here) and see if the owner can provide more information.  It does seem rather unusual that the car is still lettered for the BR&P so long after the takeover.  If it had been useable at that time, it probably would have been repainted and re-lettered, or perhaps put into MoW service, as-is.

A few minutes ago, I was looking through some Pullman records on-line.  I found a couple of very early references to Pullman-built cars for the BR&P, including 17 cars built in 1912, and another 27 cars in 1913.
I also found 16 named cars built for Pullman service in 1928, one of them being Admiral Dewey, the name on the car pictured.

Wayne

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