CPR Baldwins in Vancouver : lasted a long time, 4 or more paint schemes

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CPR Baldwins in Vancouver : lasted a long time, 4 or more paint schemes
Posted by Miningman on Friday, November 16, 2018 7:01 PM

Baldwin did not make big inroads in Canada but they got off to a fair start with the CPR early in the game.

Canadian Pacific Railway 

CPR Baldwin DS44-1000 1000 HP Yard Switchers 

There were only 11 DS44-1000 Baldwin units on the CPR which was the only railway in Canada to have them.
They spent all their lives in British Columbia, mostly in Vancouver terminal. 

Baldwin yard engines everywhere! All new in original paint scheme. 7070 and 7069 at left. 7065 and two others in middle. Another hidden by a cut of cars on the scales at right in N Yard. 1948. Leif Sorensen Collection 

7069 at Drake Street roundhouse September 26, 1964 Grant L. Ferguson 
This is the only CPR Baldwin yard engine preserved.

Two views of 7069 in Script paint scheme. Andy Cassidy 

7069 in original CP Rail paint scheme with Multimark on cab, number on carbody. Vancouver September 1975

7066 DS44-1000 Baldwin 73943 & CLC 2520 9/1948 Vancouver 8/14/1972.
Kermit Geary/Joseph Testgrose Collection



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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, November 17, 2018 7:12 PM

CP 8000 is now owned by the West Coast Railway Association in Squamish, BC.

CP 7069 is privately owned and stored at the John Street roundhouse in Toronto.

As far as I know CN never owned any Baldwin diesels.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:03 PM

Baldwin opened up an office in Toronto after the war. CLC in Kingston had the license to build their locomotives and in addition also had Fairbanks Morse. Baldwin sold a couple of models to the CPR in small fleets, all in British Columbia, and far from Toronto. The CNR didn't bite.

Both the CNR and CPR had enourmous numbers countrywide of new or rebuilt steam and business was brisk. No baby face's on the Toronto-Montreal passenger trains, mercifully so. No sharks dispatched from Winnipeg. Centre cabs dragging things around in Hamilton?...nope. AS616's would have found good use on both but steam got in the way again.  How about, say, 3 Centipedes for the TH&B on passenger service? Didn't happen , their hand me down J1a's kept the passenger service on time until 1954-55. Now that was an excellent opportunity to save one but that didn't happen either. 

FM did better, CNR jumped on them quickly and gave up just as quickly but the CPR loved the OP, some baby trainmasters making it into the multi mark era, alongside the few Baldwins. 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:10 PM

Can somebody explain to me how that double serial/construction number thing worked with these?  Did Baldwin produce a frame number with subassemblies and CLC accomplish enough final assembly or inclusion of Canadian 'content' to satisfy requirements?

I'm proud they preserved CP 8000 -- far more esthetic imho than any yard switcher.  Now all we need to do is take up a collection to restore her hexapoles...

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:39 AM

Overmod-- That would be the reason. I can just imagine stuffy bureaucrats making sure that Canadian content is complied with, akin to an autopsy, calipers and clipboards at hand. I think you might even see more of this sort of thing with car manufacturing under the USMCA with 3 countries involved. Yes the Baldwin's had a very solid look to them and a commanding presence. 

Perhaps NDG could shed further light.

SD70Dude-- I'd completely forgotten about 7069 hidden away in Toronto. I've seen that one. At least it's in a CPR roundhouse, or it was anyway. 


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