WA (waiting Angus) International of Maine boxcar CPR...a sad end

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WA (waiting Angus) International of Maine boxcar CPR...a sad end
Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 01, 2018 1:44 AM

'WA' in chalk with car number whitelined means the end of the road for this International of Maine Service boxcar. Although CPR cars these could not be used for domestic service in Canada... but they sure as heck went there to meet the end. So sad. 

269300 WA = Waiting Angus (for scrapping).

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 01, 2018 10:46 AM

Hi Miningman!  Any idea why it was going to the scrapper?  Aside from not having roller bearings it looks perfectly serviceable to me, but then again pictures don't tell the whole story.

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 01, 2018 11:31 AM

Firelock-- No, no I don't know why. Thought much the same as you, what's wrong with it? Here is a pic of another in fine shape, 268911 built 7/52 yet has an earlier set of numbers as the 'WA' car is 269300, not the same series of cars though, but close. Cannot make out the build date on 269300. 

I can only speculate as to why ... another question is what the heck is it doing in Agincourt? That's Toronto... why would a CPR car based in Maine, being sent to Montreal,  be routed via Toronto? 

The picture in Agincourt (Toronto) is 1983. The International of Maine Division service marking has not been whtelined so I'm assuming it still cannot be used for domestic service. 

Try to explain to someone back then that the entire Maritime operations  of the CPR is no more and that the mighty CPR truncates at Montreal they would think your insane. 

C.P. 268911 40 foot 60 ton 3900 cu.ft. 6 ft door steel box car built by Pullman-Standard in USA 7/1952 
International of Maine Division cars could not be used in Canadian domestic service.

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Posted by AgentKid on Sunday, July 01, 2018 11:32 AM

Firelock76
Any idea why it was going to the scrapper?

The caption shows the picture was taken in 1983. So it would be easy for a steel boxcar to have reached the 40 year maximum in effect at that time.

Bruce

 

So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.

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Posted by AgentKid on Sunday, July 01, 2018 11:55 AM

Miningman
another question is what the heck is it doing in Agincourt? That's Toronto... why would a CPR car based in Maine, being sent to Montreal, be routed via Toronto?

Domestic service rules:

268911 could be loaded with a "Product of Maine" and be sent anywhere in Canada or the US.

The emptied car sent to the US could be reloaded and sent to any other US or any Canadian destination. In the US this car could bounce around anywhere on its' way back to Maine, given US interchange rules. Once this car reached Canada however, it could only be sent back empty to Maine.

Bruce

 

So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 01, 2018 12:15 PM

Maxed out at 40 years?  Yes, that would make sense.  However, that 40 year rule would only make it unusable for interchange with other 'roads, by American regs anyway, Canadian regs I'm not sure.  It could still be used assuming it never left home rails.

On the other hand, it might have just been easier for the CPR to say "The heck with it" and scrap it.

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Posted by AgentKid on Sunday, July 01, 2018 12:28 PM

Firelock76
that 40 year rule would only make it unusable for interchange

Interchange includes border crossings.

The reason CP had to letter the cars "International of Maine Division" is they were American made. CP did not pay Canadian excise tax on them, which is why they could not be reloaded in Canada. You don't pay the tax, you can't earn profit.

That first picture has me confused though, that car looks as Canadian made as any car I saw go by the station back in the day. The 268911 is a Pullman-Standard product.

Bruce

 

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 01, 2018 1:12 PM

268911 built 7/52 is only 31 years old. When the pic of whitelined 269300 was taken, and that has a higher number so can we assume later than 7/52? Well something is wrong with 269300, perhaps if time allows I can do some detective work.

I suppose it's an anology for all of us...one day we ourselves will be whitelined and chalked up ' W?' Waiting for Godot? WG...'WB' waiting for burial, WRW waiting for reading of the will! Oh well, 269300 will be there. 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 01, 2018 2:42 PM

The thought just hit me, we're only seeing one side of 269300.  I wonder what the other side looks like?  Damaged by a sideswipe or ramming beyond economic repair?  Burned?  Who knows?  It's a mystery.

There had to be some good reason for scrapping it.

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 01, 2018 3:17 PM

Thinking you are on to something there Firelock.

Researching these 2 cars using ' Canadian Freight Cars' from Ian Cranstone has uncovered the following info:

The car in question 269300 was in a series of 500 built between 12/52 and 2/53. They are listed as being in service until Jan. 2000. So something happened to 269300 as it was scrapped much earlier than Jan 2000. We cannot see the other side as Firelock states.

268911 was in a series of 300 built 04/52-07/52 and also lasted until Jan 2000. So this series was built a bit earlier than 269300 was, as suspected.

Both series of cars were built by Pullman Standard in the USA. Sorry 'bout that Agent Kid but I'm sure CPR's orders were very much standardized wherever they were built. A car built to CPR specs would look the same whether it came from National Steel Car in Hamilton or Pullmam Standard stateside. 

So we are left with the mystery as to what is wrong with 269300!

Those car manufacturers sure could crank them out... that's a lot steel, welding and riveting and a lot of cars in a short period of time and I'm certain CPR wasn't their only customer. 

800 boxcars just for International of Maine service and just one road. I'm sure the CPR was not the big dog in Maine. Amazing how far New England railroading has collapsed. 

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