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Howard Fogg
Posted by chrispy on Sunday, June 24, 2018 7:10 PM

I have an original Howard Fogg watercolor called "Pittsburgh Forgings" signed by Howard Fogg. It measures 17 3/8 X 24. Can anyone tell me what would be the best way to sell it? Thanks for any information.

 
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Posted by seppburgh2 on Monday, July 16, 2018 9:13 PM

If you look through Trains mag. there are dealers who will by collects.  Also Ebay is another outlet.  Use their search capability to view other Howard Fogg offerings. I use to love his Christmas cards when I was a kid.  Save my pennys to buy a box of 12 to give out to family and teachers!

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:37 AM

My Lord, is this the original of the picture of the Pittsburgh Forgings plant at Coraopolis, that used to hang in the office building in Pittsburgh?

http://www.silogic.com/trains/P&LE%20Postcards%20by%20Howard%20Fogg.html

 

If it is original, it should be put up for auction directly.  "Dealers who buy collections" will almost certainly lowball, if for no other reason that a single sale gives them comparatively little profit; eBay is likely to be a long, long crapshoot if you set any kind of reasonable reserve (which you should, at least to see the high bids across a period of time) since this will be worth a substantial sum to the 'right' person ... who would just happen to come across the opportunity while the auction is up.

Another alternative is to find dealers in Fogg pieces, and put yours up for consignment (which you can do by providing them a high-resolution scan and keeping the original safely in your possession until a sale is closed). 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:18 PM

Overmod
My Lord, is this the original of the picture of the Pittsburgh Forgings plant at Coraopolis, that used to hang in the office building in Pittsburgh?

http://www.silogic.com/trains/P&LE%20Postcards%20by%20Howard%20Fogg.html 

If it is original, it should be put up for auction directly.  "Dealers who buy collections" will almost certainly lowball, if for no other reason that a single sale gives them comparatively little profit; eBay is likely to be a long, long crapshoot if you set any kind of reasonable reserve (which you should, at least to see the high bids across a period of time) since this will be worth a substantial sum to the 'right' person ... who would just happen to come across the opportunity while the auction is up.

Another alternative is to find dealers in Fogg pieces, and put yours up for consignment (which you can do by providing them a high-resolution scan and keeping the original safely in your possession until a sale is closed). 

Amazing that most of what Mr. Fogg documented no longer exists.  Sad statement on the path the country has taken in the past half century.

         

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:48 PM

If your painting is indeed a Fogg original than it is very valuble, and quite the piece of history too!

If I may ask, how did you come to own it?  Usually one does not just happen upon a painting like this.

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:13 AM

Overmod-- Thank you for that link to 'Road to the future' with all the P&LE scenes. Great posting.

Balt and All-- wouldn't it be interesting to go to each of those locations depicted by Fogg and photograph what they are today! The ensuing discussion would be fascinating on many many levels.

In Saskatoon on medical, super hot here 33C, not used to that for me anymore. If the docs don't kill ya the heat will! Check in later tonight, should be home by midnight your time, EDST. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:01 PM

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Balt and All-- wouldn't it be interesting to go to each of those locations depicted by Fogg and photograph what they are today! The ensuing discussion would be fascinating on many many levels.

The P&LE became a part of the Baltimore Division when it was purchased from the Three Rivers Railroad in the late 1990's.  I don't know what has legally become of the P&LE line between New Castle and Youngstown or between McKeesport and Connellsville.  The Mon Branch between Newell and McKeesport became part of CSX with the ConRail split in 1999.

The McKeesport to New Castle portion of the P&LE, which the B&O had trackage rights over from the late 20's or early 30's onward is now a nominally single track railroad with segments of double track.  In the P&LE's heydays the route was a minimum of double track and in many places it was 3 and 4 tracks - as illustrated by Mr. Fogg's paintings.  

The P&LE's full route became one reality of the Rust Belt with the demise of steel industry in the Pittsburgh and Youngstown areas.  Doing some 'flying' on Google Earth - that entire area is only a shadow of what I remembered seeing in my youth as our B&O train moved along the Monongahela River in the evening to the grand light show that was produced by the steel mills between McKeesport - Pittsburgh - New Castle and through Youngstown.  Days and a industry gone.

         

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 22, 2018 11:45 AM

I just got my latest edition of "Maine Antiques Digest" and chrispy, if you're still looking in, I may have some possibilities for you.

Bear in mind these art dealers don't specialize in railroad art, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.  You can try...

Gratz Gallery & Conservation Studio   www.gratzgallery.com

Freeman's American Furniture, Folk & Decorative Arts  lcain@freemansauction.com

Cowan's Auctions  www.cowans.com

Shannon's Fine Art Auctioneers  info@shannons.com  or www.shannons.com

If I come up with some others I'll let you know, but only if I get an indication you're still out there.

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:59 PM

Miningman

Balt and All-- wouldn't it be interesting to go to each of those locations depicted by Fogg and photograph what they are today! The ensuing discussion would be fascinating on many many levels.

No, it would be enormously depressing.  Although I've always lived in the Detroit area, I had an uncle in McKeesport, PA who was a Catholic priest.  I visited him for a few days every year in the mid to late 70's and then occasionally stopped in throughout the 80's and 90's.  He passed away then.  I was very familiar with the whole Mon Valley and almost nothing is left.  Other than the J Edgar Thomson and Irvin Works, there are a lot of brownfields.  Homestead, Duquesne, J&L, Mesta Machine and others, all gone.  Youngstown is even worse.  Nothing is left there.

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 22, 2018 6:57 PM

Well that's the point. To compare the absolute dichotomy of it all. No one from that era would believe it. 

I question a digital society verses industrial might.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 22, 2018 8:22 PM

Miningman

Well that's the point. To compare the absolute dichotomy of it all. No one from that era would believe it. 

I question a digital society verses industrial might.

 

You said it Miningman!  I just can't help but think that sometime in the future we're going to miss that industrial might, and badly. Not just here in the Western Hemisphere but Western Civilization as a whole.  I hope it doesn't come to pass in the same way I hope a "Digital 'Titanic'"  doesn't come to pass either, but I can't help but shake the nagging feeling that's where we're headed.

Nothing would make me happier than to be proved wrong though, I'm not a gloating "See, I told you so!" kind of guy.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, July 22, 2018 8:32 PM

BaltACD
In the P&LE's heydays the route was a minimum of double track and in many places it was 3 and 4 tracks - as illustrated by Mr. Fogg's paintings.

Although the Internet seems to have forgotten about the dramatic end of the PRR Liberty Limited as a competitive entity from Washington to Chicago in the late Fifties, I have not.  Although I do not have the reference to the Trains article that celebrated it (which I can't find without access to the Complete Collection...)

Trackage rights over the high-speed P&LE at that time made the B&O train become not only a better dining experience, but much quicker than the PRR alternative wandering up if I recall correctly via the Northern Central.  I notice the official story appears to be just that PRR was losing money on their train and therefore cancelled it -- giving no credit to what I recall being described as a Borgia-like competitive success.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, July 23, 2018 1:40 AM

So in a sense the iconic fiqure of Uncle Sam with sleeves rolled up spiritually leading the Pennsy hauling war material through massive industrial steel mills could or should be the B&O. At least as far as passenger service goes. 

Firelock-- The day will come,THE DAY,  when your and everyone else's bank account reads zero, or minus $5,000, all records of everything digital is gone, the screens are blank, magnetic strips are useless, the stock exchanges read nothing, ...well you get the picture. What's worse is that it is easily foreseeable. Everyone running to the hills with shotguns and cans of beans. Hope I don't live to see that day.

You know the top top tip top secrets and communications are hand written on paper, stored in books, delivered by a courier by hand. Top science labs, vital  research, high order military stuff and your President does this. Stay the heck off the Internet altogether for the real vital stuff. 

Every single one of my class lessons for each subject, for each semester for ten years now is hand written on paper in a thick binder. I have 2.5 walls of thick binders. Of course there's images and relevant information downloaded from the Internet but printed out and placed inside. All my numerous exams over the years are printed and stored in paper files. The Word Processing is all piecemeal and good luck making sense of that. Only items on digital file are power points and even those are printed. I wonder if there are any other profs out there that do this. Maybe one or two. 

We also teach Drafting to the First Year students. Light tables, T-squares, Set Squares, Engineers and Architect Rules, Koh-I-Noor inking pens, LeRoy lettering sets. They love it.

When they take AutoCAD second year and later Vulcan and GemCom it all makes sense. I wonder if anyone does this, something tells me no. 

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