Morgan Trip

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Morgan Trip
Posted by LAWRENCE SMITH on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:29 PM

Sometime in the 40s David Morgan of Trains took a cab ride on a T-1 on the Ft Wayne Division. Does anyone know if he ever wrote an article on this trip?

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Posted by NP Eddie on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:23 PM

Lawrence Smith:

I viewed a numbers of articles on the PRR from the "Trains" CD 1940-2010 and cannot find an article about the above trip.

Ed Burns

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 1:24 PM

I have to suspect it's a 'third party' report of DPM being present.

I have my suspicions of Mr. Morgan's role in the effective demonization of the T1 design, which is why I am watching to learn the circumstances here with some avidity.

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:41 PM

Why on earth would he do that? To what end?

First I heard of this, now I'm curious as well. Overmod, you must have based that on something!

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:26 PM

He was about 19 then. He died too soon to be bothered by stuff on the internet.  Caption: One of the earliest known photos of Morgan was taken in Fort Wayne, Ind., Sept. 2, 1947. Morgan is posing with the nose and pilot of Pennsylvania Railroad T1 4-4-4-4 No. 5507, years before he took the helm as editor of Trains. Photo by Richard J. Cook

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:45 PM

Overmod, you must have based that on something!

Probably the wrong something.

i have long been of the opinion that the T1 had to become a 'failure' and the whole duplex idea a dog with a bad name for some reason.  I have thought that part of that reason was to help PRR get out of the colossal equipment trust obligation on the 50 production locomotives, but there is no 'smoking gun' pointing to that other than a continued skein of rail enthusiasts quoting other railfan enthusiasts until it looked like the act of a moron to greenlight series T1 production, let alone have anything good to say about the things.  This despite quite a bit of primary source investigation indicating many of the reported failures were fake and many more the result of bad training or inappropriate experience.

I had forgotten DPM was as young as he was.  I came into the Trains community in 1963 and of course thought that was how it had always been.  I had the impression that Morgan was responsible for quite a bit of the official pravda about impossible slipping, hopeless smoke, etc. and was thinking that here in '47, right at the last hurrah of active PRR effort to fix the T1 issues, we might be able to find what soured him on the idea.  

At 19, with a number of years before he would even be proofing at Kalmbach, I don't see it would matter that much ... except to wonder how someone who loved Emmas so much couldn't love the Veronica Lake of steam even more...

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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:37 PM

Ok.. thanks for that. 

That is an incredible picture showing all the detail at the cylinder that we seldom get to see. Tremendous engineering and thought, exciting advances, mysterious and complex. 

I never bought into the piling-on. The way these accounts and stories were written, many anecdotal and too similiar, poorly written, many non technical, seemed very suspect and certainly did not jive with what a person instinctively knew. Even as a kid I thought 'what a bunch of malarkey'. 

Can't get over that picture...fabulous, thanks for the millionth time to Wanswheel. 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:04 PM

The plain fact of the matter is, when the Pennsy decided to dieselize their passenger service in 1946, and as quickly as possible, the T1's were out of a job before the job had even got seriously started.  How good they were, and they turned out to be darn good when PRR enginemen learned how to use them, didn't make any difference.  They were doomed anyway.

And who knows how these "old husband's tales"  get started?  I have to call them "old husbands..." since I don't know too many "old wives..." who sit around yarning about steam locomotives!

I've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again anyway.  For a superb tutorial on the T1 get a copy of Classic Trains "Steam Glory 3,"  still available as a back-issue last time I looked.  There's an article in it called "Pennsy's T1 Reassessed"  by David R Stevenson, who punctures all the myths and gives the straight scoop on the T1.

I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Stevenson several years back at a train show in Chantilly VA.  A very nice man and we had a fun chat concerning a mutual aquaintance.


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