Roof of Penn Station

[Jones1945]

Thank you everyone, it's working for me now! 

[Miningman]

Well there you go Jonsey... thanks to the Dude. Perhaps it is blocked in whatever country it is you reside in. 

[SD70Dude]

I see the photos too.

Mr. Jones, try these links if you still can't see them:

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/adore-djatoka/resolver?rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fdigital.library.pitt.edu%2Fislandora%2Fobject%2Fpitt%253A31735066059217-0012%2Fdatastream%2FJP2%2Fview%3Ftoken%3D&url_ver=Z39.88-2004&svc_id=info%3Alanl-repo%2Fsvc%2FgetRegion&svc_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajpeg2000&svc.format=image%2Fjpeg&svc.level=4&svc.rotate=0

 

https://digital.library.pitt.edu/adore-djatoka/resolver?rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fdigital.library.pitt.edu%2Fislandora%2Fobject%2Fpitt%253A31735066059217-0013%2Fdatastream%2FJP2%2Fview%3Ftoken%3D&url_ver=Z39.88-2004&svc_id=info%3Alanl-repo%2Fsvc%2FgetRegion&svc_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajpeg2000&svc.format=image%2Fjpeg&svc.level=4&svc.rotate=0

[Miningman]

Thanks M636C , Peter.

Yes that's it with the 620 car order for the Long Island Railroad. Nickel alloys steel of course. 

[M636C]

Miningman

What do you see? I see the pic just fine. I'm confused. Why me and not you? Anyone else, what do you see?

 

For what it is worth, I see a two page International Nickel advertisement....

Peter

[Miningman]

What do you see? I see the pic just fine. I'm confused. Why me and not you? Anyone else, what do you see?

[Jones1945]

Hey Miningman, the pic you post doesn't show. 

Edit: Fixed, my fault. 

[Miningman]

INCO Ad 

[Miningman]

I've worked at the Creighton Mine back in the day as a 'beat' Geologist, mapping the fresh faces after the round was taken and grading the muckpiles through various stopes. This was long before the lab was built down there. Gets pretty warm with all the oxidizing sulphides. 

Have also visited the Lab much later as INCO had transferred me to the Frood Mine by the time the Lab was in operation. It is a long ways down at Creighton. A wheelchair accessible Mine! Also one in Manitoba where they store nuclear waste, wheelchair accessible! 

[wanswheel]

https://www.snolab.ca/news/2012-09-16-professor-stephen-hawking-visits-snolab

[Overmod]

Ruxton: perhaps best in what might be termed '38 Century paint

https://www.rmsothebys.com/am16/amelia-island/lots/1932-ruxton-model-c-sedan-by-budd/1078633

and, if you have several idle hours ... you'd better leave time ... here is how it came to be like that:

http://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=44158

[wanswheel]

"Nirosta, a contraction of Nichtrostende Stähle (nonrusting steel)."  Or it could be the name of a pill for people who watch TV news for their health. "Ask your doctor about Nirosta."

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hcc/2015/05/Walter-P--Chrysler/3748509.html

 

[Overmod]

wanswheel

I wonder if exists an indestructible Monel teapot.

Odd that I was looking for pitchers made of it ... and find nothing but golf clubs.

Plenty of urns with Monel linings, so it doesn't seem likely there's a particular taste, and one of the very early uses of Nirosta was, explicitly, milk pitchers (one was tested when Van Alen was deciding on the metals to use on the Chrysler Building).  If there is a problem with drawing or spinning Monel I am not yet aware of it, and it can be welded with appropriate wire and rod (available widely not later than the end of WWII for Monel K, the precipitation-hardening variety with aluminum added).  So I come back to the high relative cost of the material, or the relative superiority of 18/10 or 18/8 in this service ... but that shouldn't have stopped folks from trying Monel somewhere, or documenting why they didn't.

I wonder if it was too tempting to say 'nickel silver' instead ... there are plenty of pots and pitchers of THAT named material, as you might expect... 

[wanswheel]

Speaking of roofs, and railroads, I wonder if exists an indestructible Monel teapot.

[wanswheel]

Overmod

 Childe Harold Wills

He parked his Gardner Eight on 8th Ave., saw it from the YMCA roof garden.

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/members/AardvarkPublisherAttachments/9990462405578/1967-02_CL_1927_Wills_Sainte_Claire_Roadster_Retrospect_1-7.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardner_(automobile)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruxton_(automobile)

[Miningman]

Wretched is right! I believe that myself and our CEO are the only 2 staff and faculty members that do not wear the things. 1,000 bucks a pop they are nothing more than a status ranking of credit card power and stupidity. 

None, and I mean zero, of the students wear the wretched things either, which only confirms the last sentence above.

Hilarious to see folks in warmer climes, such as Toronto or Vancouver parading about and posturing in malls and grocery stores at room temperatures. 

So...Mr. Overmod, can you provide any pics on those great descriptions of the Ruston and the Moly Car?

Also I have never seen a post displayed as yours, somewhat faded out like that... is it just my 'puter or things gone awry or something new and cool?

[Overmod]

Yes Vanadium. Goes back a long ways, was used in the chassis of the Ford Model T as an alloy.

Which brings us to molybdenum, another promoted thing, and the wonderful Childe Harold Wills and the Wills Saint(e) Clair(e) - aka 'The Molybdenum Car'.  Now there was an engineer in the best Babbage tradition, shutting down the line when he had a brighter idea...

Later he would work on one of my favorite cars of all time, even more iconic than the Gardner Eight-In-Line, the Ruxton (with its Woodlites and Josef Urban rainbow striping and Ledwinka carrosserie...)

Emblem for WSC was a far more evocative use of the Canada Goose than those wretched parkas are... 

[Miningman]

....Or the S1, or a T1...cash strapped they say..equity and real estate out the wazoo but cash strapped they say......but Sauders personally paid a voluntary 7 million dollar settlement for his shenanigans to get out of lawsuits and that was back when that was an real astronomical amount. 

Plus....astronomical savings from Dieselization not to mention all those back shop jobs ...what a load of big stinkin' baloney. 

[Firelock76]

Just guessing, but I'd suspect that Monel roof was sold for scrap value.  Once Penn Station was demolished all the stone work was just broken rock, but I'm sure that Monel metal was worth money, and you don't throw away money.

Hey, the PRR didn't give away all those magnificent steam engines that went to the scrappers!

[Miningman]

Yes I am aware of the fate of much of Pennsylvania Station but what became of the Monel roof! Perhaps the same...in da swamp.  

[pajrr]

Most, if not all of Penn Station lies in the NJ Meadowlands. It was used as land fill for Giants Stadium, the race track, etc. A trucking company down there uses some of the pink granite columns as bumper blocks around their parking lot.

[Miningman]

Yes Vanadium. Goes back a long ways, was used in the chassis of the Ford Model T as an alloy. Great for high speed machinery, crankshafts, surgical instruments, much more, and now as the Anode for making Lithium Ion batteries, along with Cobalt, another metal finding itself in the spotlight. 

We have occurances of Vanadium here in Northern Saskatchewan, one exploration outfit progressing well with an exploration shaft and working on their National Instrument 43-101, In that case it occurs as an iron vanadium oxide, Nolanite, in the Beaverlodge area. 

There are 2 rare earth deposits under active exploration in the area as well. 

Puzzling enough, it occurs as a by-product of uranium processing and oil sands processing ...much written, but nothing doing. With the sheer volumes mined you would think it would make for a freebie bonus. 

But!....what happened to the roof? Is it in the swamps of New Jersey, was it busted up and recycled? Some tycoon has it as their roof in their Hampton's getaway? 

 Exploration diamond drill Northern Saskatchewan...Vanadium!

[Overmod]

I have to wonder whether, if Penn Station had been built only a couple of years later, its roof would have been made of Maurer's somewhat more famous nickel-bearing alloy, 18/10 or 18/8 chrome-nickel steel (the latter, more famous as Enduro KA-2 or Nirosta in the spire cladding of the Chrysler Building)

Interesting, the publicity given some of these materials.  Some of the contemporary things from the Vanadium Company might be interesting.

[wanswheel]

Stompin' Tom probably never stood under the roof of Penn Station, but he could've arrived from Toronto on the Maple Leaf or from Montreal on the Washingtonian. Don't know if he was ever in Sudbury Thursday night.

https://archive.org/stream/TheRomanceOfNickel/TheRomanceOfNickel0001#page/n0/mode/2up

[doctorwayne]

Wow!  Got me goin', too.

Wayne

[wanswheel]

Miningman

As for Stompin' Tom...well Wanswheel, you actually made me cry.

I didn't know what to say, and still don't. Probably Stompin' Tom would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu-6xuwcBlM&t=10m47s

[wanswheel]

All right, back on topic, roof of Penn Station:

[wanswheel]

[wanswheel]

https://www.gettyimages.com/license/170557583

https://www.gettyimages.com/license/170557561

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/arts/stompin-tom-connors-canadian-singer-dies-at-77.html