The foreground is great but check out that background!

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The foreground is great but check out that background!
Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, January 02, 2018 8:47 PM

The Canadian, newly inaugurated, in it's first week of operation, is the undisputed "Star"of this photo, ....but....check out that background and all the steam at the competitions roundhouse. On the far left is a spotless streamlined 6400 series Northern. I see only one Diesel at the roundhouse, maybe?, that being a switcher. 

63 years ago!

A 6400 Northern is saved, maybe another representative of something steaming at the roundhouse, F7's yep got 'em, many if not most of the Budd built cars on the Canadian are still rolling. 

No.11 engine 1428_1427 just out of Union Station passing CNR Spadina roundhouse westbound on Galt Sub. 
Consist: baggage-dormitory, two U class tourist sleepers, Skyline, coach, dining car, four sleepers, and Park car. 
First week of schedule. 4/28/1955 Robert J. Sandusky

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:43 PM

The tourist sleepers are older heavyweights which have been refurbished and clad in stainless steel to match the rest of the train.

Everything is just beautiful, and I'll bet it's on time too!

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:52 PM

Enlargening to as much as I reasonably can I am withdrawing the Diesel...no stinkin' Diesel. The white paint outlined handrails on either side of the front/smokebox/stack on one of the locomotives, almost facing the camera head on, is almost certainly a 6200 series 4-8-4. 

What is needed here is a CNR forensic ferroequinologist. Any in the house?

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, January 03, 2018 10:52 PM

Close, but I will go a different direction.  The photo is blurry but there is no Elesco feedwater heater mounted atop the smokebox, like on the engine 3rd from left, and this is a hallmark of CN Northerns.  There is also a pale patch on either side of the headlight, which are the right size for numberboards.  And while it's too small to be the Elesco, there is something mounted on top of the smokebox, could it be a bell...

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rrpa_photos/21231/CN_6060_TV760703S1646u.jpg

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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, January 04, 2018 12:38 AM

I think you are right! Good eye. I stand corrected.Well done. 

Could be a 2-10-2 or 2-10-4 next to the 6400.

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, January 04, 2018 1:54 PM
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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, January 19, 2018 8:16 PM

Miningman
...many if not most of the Budd built cars on the Canadian are still rolling....

Yeah, I had a double room (with a shower) on one of those cars a couple of years ago, coming from Moncton to Montreal on VIA's Ocean.  I would have preferred they had left it as the Ocean Limited, but if they let me ride, I guess it's not all that limited. 
Also on the train was this...

I had a front seat in the dome for much of the ride, and even though it was open to all on the train, there was never more than a half-dozen-or-so of us up there.  Perhaps the folks in the coaches weren't even aware of its presence. 

I'd guess the locomotive under discussion to perhaps be one of the 5700s - front-mounted bell, flanked by protruding number boards.  Hard to tell from the enlargement I got, but looks like fairing on the edges of the running boards, too.

While most of the CNR's Northerns did have Elesco fwhs, the U-2-h ones came originally-equipped with Elesco exhaust steam injectors, as did the ex-GTW U-3-a locos.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, January 19, 2018 8:43 PM

Wayne, I appreciate those pictures of the interior.

I do have a question: you mentioned "a double room with shower;" was the shower in the room, or was it the one you enter from the aisle? Or, was the room in a Renaissance car? All the "cabins for two (as VIA calls them)" in the cars built by Budd I have used were simply bedrooms or compartments in cars which have one shower in each car (I do know that the deluxe bedrooms in the Renaissace equipment have showers).

My last trip in Canada was in the fall three and a half years ago.

Thanks,

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, January 19, 2018 9:42 PM

Deggesty
I do have a question: you mentioned "a double room with shower;" was the shower in the room, or was it the one you enter from the aisle?....

The shower was part of the private washroom of the compartment, and included a toilet and sink.  The entire washroom became the shower if you used it and was pretty-much all stainless steel, with its own door.  I didn't use it, so can't attest to its usefulness - at home, I do at least half-hour showers, which probably would have run the APWS dry.

Deggesty
...Or, was the room in a Renaissance car? All the "cabins for two (as VIA calls them)" in the cars built by Budd I have used were simply bedrooms or compartments in cars which have one shower in each car (I do know that the deluxe bedrooms in the Renaissace equipment have showers).

You've got me wondering now - it was definitely a room with an upper and lower bunk (upper not made-up or even opened) and the washroom was accessible only from that room.  It also had a small closet - my first long distance train trip in something other than a coach.   Much nicer than 36 hours in a coach,  Toronto to Sioux Lookout, on the Super Continental.

I had driven down to the east coast with my son, who was moving there, and used the train to get back to Ontario.  The price was fairly reasonable - less than advertised, as I guess they figured that it would be better to run the train full-ish.

I wish that VIA still had CN's Car-Go-Rail service, though.  I'd love to take a train ride out to visit friends in BC, then drive down the Coast highway to visit friends in Arizona and Texas.

I had a bunch of pictures of the interior of the room, but it appears than my old computer removed them (and almost 16GBs of other photos and documents) from a flashdrive onto which I was attempting to load a few more photos.  I'm hoping to take it to a place where they may be able to recover that data, although I've been told that what apparently happened was not possible, so I don't have a great deal of hope that anything will be found.  If I do recover them, though, I'll try to remember to add them here.

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, January 20, 2018 8:14 AM

Thank you, Wayne. I will ask another question, "Did you have to use any kind of key to enter your room from the aisle? If you did , you were in a Renaissance car, and not one built by Budd.

As to the upper berth, if only one person is occupying the room, the upper stays up. 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, January 21, 2018 1:12 AM

Yeah, I had a key for the room, so my recollection (or supposition) of it being a Budd-built car was in error.

I did lower the upper, just to see what it was like, but to be honest, I spent much of the night sitting in the dome. 
During the day and early evening, there were more people in the dome, and we had some interesting conversations going on, probably a feature common only on trains and perhaps ships.

The coach ride from Montreal to Trawna was mercifully fairly quick, as the train was absolutely packed - assigned seats, too, which I hadn't really expected, so no window seat. 
The GO train from Union Station to Burlington was more enjoyable, as was the car ride home with my daughter.

I wish that I could have afforded train riding when the map of passenger service had more lines drawn on it.

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, January 21, 2018 2:56 PM

Quoting doctorwayne: "I wish that I could have afforded train riding when the map of passenger service had more lines drawn on it" Yes, I understand your point. I was thankful that, beginning in 1962, I was able to begin traveling by rail more than was possible when I was in school. Some trips were purely vacation, and some were business trips wherein I was able to take round about routes to get where I needed to be--such as going from Tusacloosa, Alabama, to Black Mountain, North Carolina, by way of St. Louis, Chicago, and Washington, and coming back by way of Greensboro. 

Johnny

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