In the early sixtiers my buddy and I rode a Sant Fe train to Kansas City. There we caught the KCS Flying Crow to Shreveport. Would anyone know what Santa Fe named train we would have taken from Chicago to KC?
Depends on how long you laid over at KC. Do you remember?
The Flying Crow left KC around 9:30 in the evening on its southbound run to Shreveport. You might have ridden the Santa Fe's Grand Canyon from Chicago which I believe was scheduled to arrived in KC around 9:00pm making this an extremely tight connection. I think it's more likely that you took the Kansas Cityan which left Chicago around 10 in the morning and arrived in KC around 5:30pm.
Mark
I beleive the flying Crow ran overnight to Shreveport and then continued as a day train to New Orleans. Correct?
daveklepper I beleive the flying Crow ran overnight to Shreveport and then continued as a day train to New Orleans. Correct?
Dave,
Yes, in the 60's the Flying Crow was an overnight train from Kansas City to Shreveport where it split into two similar day trains both carrying a coach and a round-end observation/cafe/lounge/coach. One train went to New Orleans and the other to Port Arthur, TX.
Mark....as much as I'd like to believe the high and mighty Santa Fe could arrive on time, I believe you are correct that it was the wb Chief-Kansas Cityan. The 1963 ATSF tt shows a 4:35 pm arrival time for #19-11. I'd sure like to hear back from the original poster.
Buck
Thanks for all of the responses concerning what ATSF train we rode (CHI -KCY). I researched the ATSF trains and schedules for the early 60's and thought maybe it was the El Capitan. But based on the information contained in the responses I think a better bet was the Kansas Cityan. I dont remember precisely how long we layed over in KC but the the 4:35P arrival and 9:00P there abouts departure by the Flying Crow sounds about right. I find it remarkable how difficult it is to find information on these kinds of transportation questions when one considers how much a part of everyday life the rail passenger system was at one time. Thanks again for the help.
I should mention that a large part of my motivation for piecing together this kind of information is to help me in collecting railroad art of specific trains that I was fortunate enough to ride. I do have a great picture (print) of Union Station in Kansas City which includes the ATSF, CR&P, UP, and KCS passenger trains. I also have prints of the UP City of Portland, CB&Q Zephyr, MOPAC Texas Eagle, Monon Thoroughbred, DRG&W Royal Gorge, CR&P Rocky Mountain Rocket. Those I am sure of. I have others that are more guesswork.
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Iron Mountain, first off I'd like to welcome you to the Classic Trains forum and invite you to visit often and join in our discussions. You'd be amazed at the combined wealth of knowledge that the participants have about railroading. If you're interested and can scan and post pictures of the trains you're in doubt about, it's very possible some of us might be able to confirm their identity.
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An outfit put a few outlandishly thorough wanderlust provoking tomes purporting to provide that guidance on digital media. Anybody want to resurrect that provider? There might be one suiting Iron's time frame.
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