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Union Pacific Reporting Marks
Posted by GoldenWestService on Sunday, December 20, 2009 8:36 AM

 Since UP was the result of a merger between many companies, and Union Pacific uses all of its acquired reporting marks, what reporting marks does it use (even ones like HOGX that wern't common carrier)?

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Posted by cnwfan51 on Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:08 PM

Union Pacific was not the result of many mergers. The company was organized ion the early 1860s and is the only railroad in this   country that still has its orginal name and reporting marks.

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Posted by MJChittick on Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:06 PM

GoldenWestService

 Since UP was the result of a merger between many companies, and Union Pacific uses all of its acquired reporting marks, what reporting marks does it use (even ones like HOGX that wern't common carrier)?

That statement is not true.  The Union Pacific was chartered by Congress in 1862 under the Pacific Railroad Act.  It is the only railroad still operating under its original name.

What you're likely referring to are the multiple aquisitions as the railroad began growing beginning with the Missouri Pacific merger in 1982.  This was followed by the Western Pacific in 1983, the Missouri-Kansas-Texas in 1988, the Chicago & Northwestern in 1995 and finally the Southern Pacific in 1996.  As the surviving entity, the UP has the right to use the reporting marks of all the lines it has absorbed plus any that those merged lines absorbed prior to their UP merger.

Following is a link to a site listing all AAR reprting marks.  Enjoy, I think you'll find it enlightening.

http://www.railserve.com/aar_railroad_reporting_marks.html

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:22 PM

Goldenwest service, welcome to the Trains forums. Sign - Welcome

Please don't feel shot down. After 58 years of following railroading, I am still learning much--and every now and then I have to be corrected in what I have posted.

 

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:08 AM

While it's true the the Union Pacific name is not the result of mergers, the current railroad itself certainly is, and many pre-date the more recent ones mentioned.  These include the Oregon-Washington Railroad & Navigation Company, The Los Angeles & Salt Lake, and the Oregon Short Line Railroad, all, I believe, former subsidiaries of Union Pacific.  I'm sure that there were many more.

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Posted by Bob-Fryml on Thursday, February 4, 2010 2:07 PM

doctorwayne

While it's true the the Union Pacific name is not the result of mergers, the current railroad itself certainly is, and many pre-date the more recent ones mentioned.  These include the Oregon-Washington Railroad & Navigation Company, The Los Angeles & Salt Lake, and the Oregon Short Line Railroad, all, I believe, former subsidiaries of Union Pacific.  I'm sure that there were many more.

Wayne

Adding to Dr. Wayne's list are five additional railroads that came to mind:  the Kansas Pacific, the Denver Pacific, the Saint Joseph & Grand Island, the Laramie, North Park & Western (nee Laramie, Hahn's Peak and Pacific), and the Saratoga & Encampment Valley.  

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, February 4, 2010 4:42 PM

Using the reporting marks of railroads that you've purchased / merged with isn't unique to the UP. In fact, before they bought the Chicago & NorthWestern, CNW was using reporting marks CGW and MSTL (for Chicago Great Western and Minneapolis & St.Louis) on some of their freight cars, plus CMO (for the "Omaha Road", Chicago St.Paul Minneapolis and Omaha, a company long associated with - and eventually completely merged into - CNW).

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Posted by john7968 on Thursday, February 4, 2010 10:10 PM
UP, CMO, CNW, MP, SP, SSW, are the ones I have seen, CNW also used CMO, M&StL, L&M,
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Posted by john7968 on Thursday, February 4, 2010 10:11 PM
...forgot CNW used CGW
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Posted by gopherstate on Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:19 PM

How about CHTT, MKT, BKTY, ARMN, ARDP, ARMH, CEI, CTRN, DKS, DRGW, FDDM,MI, MKTT, OKKT, SI, SPFE, SSWN, TNM, TP, UPFE, UPY, WP, WPMW, SPMW.

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Posted by Bob-Fryml on Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:05 AM

wjstix

Using the reporting marks of railroads that you've purchased / merged with isn't unique to the UP. In fact, before they bought the Chicago & NorthWestern, CNW was using reporting marks CGW and MSTL (for Chicago Great Western and Minneapolis & St.Louis) on some of their freight cars, plus CMO (for the "Omaha Road", Chicago St.Paul Minneapolis and Omaha, a company long associated with - and eventually completely merged into - CNW).

Twenty-five years ago Union Pacific was hauling coal from Hanna, Wyoming to somewhere in Oklahoma for the Grand River Dam Authority.  The cars were lightweight, rotary-dump, "bathtub" gondolas stencilled "MSTL."  

Seeing these cars raised some interesting questions. 

Presumably the "Em and Saint El" reporting marks were still owned by the Chicago & North Western, so were those cars really part of the C.& N.W. fleet?  

And if those cars were owned by the C.& N.W., why would they assign them to a Wyoming-Oklahoma-Wyoming pool for which the North Western didn't earn any line haul freight revenue?

Or might it be instead that the utility was only temporarily leasing those cars from the C.& N.W. while their own fleet was being built?  

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