Forwarding Cars on the Broadway Limited

[NW_611]

I've been digging through a PRR consist book from 1957, and there's something that I've run across with regards to the Broadway Limited's westbound consist:

10-6 for the California Zephyr, CB&Q No. 17

10-6 for the Hiawatha, MILW 101.

10-6 for MILW 103, perhaps one of the City trains with the UP

4-4-2 for the Super Chief

 My question is, whose cars was the PRR carrying? 10-6s and 4-4-2s out of its own fleet, or did the Broadway Limited carry cars from other roads? Off the cuff, I'd imagine that the Q's 10-6 was one of the California Zephyr pool, ideally Silver Rapids, and maybe (based on a photo or two) one of the Santa Fe's Regal-class 4-4-2s. I suppose the remaining question is, were the 10-6s for the Milwaukee PRR cars in Tuscan, or were they MILW/UP cars in either maroon & orange or yellow?

 Thanks for any input.

[passengerfan]

The cars you asked about were all owned by the Western Roads that supplied them the one exception was the single 10-6 built for the CZ which the PRR owned SILVER RAPIDS. It was built at the same time as the other CZ 10-6 sleepers and was part of the order for WP,CB&Q and D&RGW.

The two Milwaukee trains were actually the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO and CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO of the UP operated over the Milwaukee Road between Chicago and Omaha. The UP provided the 10-6 sleepers from there PACIFIC pool of cars.

The Santa Fe always provided the interline sleepers from there pool of cars for the Super Chief you were correct that they were REGAL series 4-4-2 sleepers.

Hope this helps

Al - in - Stockton

[passengerfan]

passengerfan

The cars you asked about were all owned by the Western Roads that supplied them the one exception was the single 10-6 built for the CZ which the PRR owned SILVER RAPIDS. It was built at the same time as the other CZ 10-6 sleepers and was part of the order for WP,CB&Q and D&RGW.

The two Milwaukee trains were actually the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO and CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO of the UP operated over the Milwaukee Road between Chicago and Omaha. The UP provided the 10-6 sleepers from there PACIFIC pool of cars.

The Santa Fe always provided the interline sleepers from there pool of cars for the Super Chief you were correct that they were REGAL series 4-4-2 sleepers.

Hope this helps

Al - in - Stockton

Correction I meant to say CITY OF LOS ANGELES and CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. Guess it is early for me.

Al - in - Stockton 

[dabug]

If anyone is interested, I can provide some post-CZ-service happenstance sightings of the PRR's 10-6 car Silver Rapids in Ohio.   

My slide log indicates the Silver Rapids covered one of the two sleeping car lines on the very first eastbound Amtrak train through Columbus OH on 5-1-71 (en route from Kansas City to New York and DC.)  This was the first time I encountered the car; she looked good under the platform lights in the early evening diminished light. 

The second encounter was in Bellevue OH on 8-20-88 where I found the car nestled amongst other private cars near the Mad River RR Museum located there.  On the California Zephyr letterboard one could still make out faintly the road name PENNSYLVANIA.  Her stainless steel skin displayed a lot of blemishes by this time. 

My last encounter with the car was on 10-13-90 when it showed up trailing a 6-car fall foliage train operating on the old C&O Hocking Valley Line southeast of Columbus.  Incredibly, she still retained her full-length CZ-style skirting after all those years.

Anyone know if she still exists?  Regardless, thanks be to Mr. Kodak for helping to preserve and document memories! 

   

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

The Santa Fe always provided the interline sleepers from there pool of cars for the Super Chief you were correct that they were REGAL series 4-4-2 sleepers.

That way the look of the Super Chief was never "corrupted" by foreign road name paint schemes.  On the other hand NYC cars were regularly seen on other trains such as the Chief.

[Texas Zepher]

dabug

Silver Rapids

Anyone know if she still exists?

There was some news about it in Private Varnish Volume 27, No. 4 Issue #120.  Unfortunately all my PV magazines are boxed up where I can't get to them, so I don't know what news that would have been.

On Train Orders.com it is stated that it was sited November 14th at Yuma Junction on the Sunset Limited (train #1?).  

It appears it is available for lease through Trains Unlimited Tours, LLC. http://www.trainsunlimitedtours.com/

[timz]

Just to clarify: all the thru cars were on the Chief (none on the Super) until January 1954, when the Chief started leaving Chicago at 0900. After that they were all on the Super. You're saying SFe allowed foreign-scheme cars until 1954 but not after?

[daveklepper]

In 1970 I had the privelege of occupying a roomette in Silver Rapids, New York - Detroit (with the car continuing to Chicago) on all-inclusive replacement (nicknamed, the "great steel fleet") for all NYC through trains, then operated by Penn Central.   The car was in decent shape at the time and rode pretty well.   My roomette was near the center of the car.   Everything sitll worked OK.