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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, April 27, 2024 4:42 PM

Brightline has another record ridership in March VS FEB.  Even accounting for 2 more days in March the month was larger.  Now there were 5 weekends in March VS FEB so that may have been a factor. 

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Posted by Gramp on Friday, April 19, 2024 10:50 PM

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The comparison begins.

Wouldn't it be something if Briteline becomes operational for the Olympics?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, April 19, 2024 8:13 PM
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Posted by rdamon on Sunday, March 17, 2024 6:05 PM

There is almost 3/4 of a mile between Michigan Road and the Split. The north parcel is owned by Brightline, the south by the city.

Currently they run MIA to MCO trains, with plans to TPA.

Cocoa - JAX or MIA JAX trains are an option with JAX to MCO requiring a train change or a change of direction. 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, March 17, 2024 7:54 AM

Since Cocoa is a wye point please explasin how there can be a single station that would serve MIA - JAX, MIA - MCO, and MCO - JAX

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, March 16, 2024 7:38 PM

D.Carleton

 

 
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Given that they bought the land awhile back, they must have had plans for this. 

Makes sense if they expand to Jacksonville.

 

The property in Cocoa is after the split off the mainline so the location is not conducive for a stop for Jax service. 

Another oddity, they had agreed early on NOT to build a station in Cocoa per agreement with the Central Florida Expressway Authority so as not to negatively affect car counts ($$$$) on the parallel Beachline Expressway. So will this station be laid out in such a way as to attract non-drivers?

 

 

I thought the photo of the station area showed the junction.

I also remember the Expressway's stipulation against a Cocoa station, but later when I looked for it I could no longer find mention of it.  I wonder if it might have been dropped because of possible pushback from Cocoa not wanting to be left out.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, March 15, 2024 11:50 AM

Plenty of room on the city owned land to the south to add a station and a crossover back to the FEC track.

It will be interesting to see how this works out and who gets upset. 

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Posted by D.Carleton on Friday, March 15, 2024 11:34 AM

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Given that they bought the land awhile back, they must have had plans for this. 

Makes sense if they expand to Jacksonville.

The property in Cocoa is after the split off the mainline so the location is not conducive for a stop for Jax service. 

Another oddity, they had agreed early on NOT to build a station in Cocoa per agreement with the Central Florida Expressway Authority so as not to negatively affect car counts ($$$$) on the parallel Beachline Expressway. So will this station be laid out in such a way as to attract non-drivers?

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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, March 14, 2024 2:59 PM

Given that they bought the land awhile back, they must have had plans for this. 

Makes sense if they expand to Jacksonville. 

 

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Posted by D.Carleton on Thursday, March 14, 2024 12:54 PM

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New Stations announced in Stuart and Cocoa Florida 

The Cocoa station would be good for cruise connections at the port, maybe eliminate some bus traffic from MCO.

Curious. The proposed Stuart site is in reasonable walking distance of the waterfront and attractions. The Cocoa location is no where near the city center and would only be useful as an intermodal node. Maybe that's the idea.

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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:39 AM

New Stations announced in Stuart and Cocoa Florida 

The Cocoa station would be good for cruise connections at the port, maybe eliminate some bus traffic from MCO.

 

It would be great to see a station at the Melbourne Airport to give some flight options into Florida.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, June 28, 2023 9:59 AM

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The whole 170-mile route to Orlando was complete by June 21, and service is expected to commence some time this summer.

 

It says Sept 1, service starts on the below link.

https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/brightlines-5b-orlando-florida-extension-complete/653775/

Note: The new estimated cost of California HSR between LA and SFO is now at..........wait for it..................$128 Billion.    Not too shabby, I think if they put their minds to it, California can easily drive that price tag over $200 Billion.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, June 26, 2023 8:55 PM

The whole 170-mile route to Orlando was complete by June 21, and service is expected to commence some time this summer.

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Posted by Gramp on Sunday, April 23, 2023 9:12 PM

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 I hesitate to buy a ticket.  Too much depends on final FRA appproval on the still to be completed FEC portions of 110 MPH running.  

 

I am waiting until September or October to give it a go.  I plan to fly to Miami, and ride roundtrip to Orlando and back in a day.  Just before the pandemic I rode the train from Miami to West Palm Beach and back.  I booked a premium seat; it was worth the extra money.  

 

Sounds fun!

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Posted by PJS1 on Sunday, April 23, 2023 11:31 AM

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 I hesitate to buy a ticket.  Too much depends on final FRA appproval on the still to be completed FEC portions of 110 MPH running.  

I am waiting until September or October to give it a go.  I plan to fly to Miami, and ride roundtrip to Orlando and back in a day.  Just before the pandemic I rode the train from Miami to West Palm Beach and back.  I booked a premium seat; it was worth the extra money.  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, April 22, 2023 9:27 PM

I hesitate to buy a ticket.  Too much depends on final FRA appproval on the still to be completed FEC portions of 110 MPH running.  It could come quickly once the final bridge connections are made or very drawn out.  No more test have happened on Cocoa - Orlando so that may be finalized.

If have a ticket for a planned opening day and Brightlie starts early will they still allow me to transfer ticket to on the earlier train?  On the other hand if start up is delayed and other persons guessed correct day then out of luck as well. 

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Posted by rdamon on Saturday, April 22, 2023 7:58 PM

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Quick search online showed advance fares on Delta and American at $114 for ORD->MIA one-way

 

ORD = Chicago O'Hare.   Did you mean MCO = Orlando ?

 

 

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, April 21, 2023 9:56 PM

rdamon
Quick search online showed advance fares on Delta and American at $114 for ORD->MIA one-way

ORD = Chicago O'Hare.   Did you mean MCO = Orlando ?

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, April 21, 2023 2:20 PM

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/newswire/2023/04/20/brightline-tickets-orlando-miami-florida-trains-passenger-rail-schedule-cost/70123580007/

 

"Tickets will go on sale in May for Brightline's new up-to-125 mph rail service linking Orlando with South Florida, with trains carrying up to 240 passengers each.

One-way fare ticket prices will start at $79 and $149 for premium, which includes a lounge, complimentary meals and priority boarding. One-way bundles for families of four will be available for less than $199, Brightline President Patrick Goddard said."

 

Quick search online showed advance fares on Delta and American at $114 for ORD->MIA one-way

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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, April 20, 2023 11:27 AM

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 6:29 PM

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Not too surprising about those restrictions.  Drawbridges of all types just about everywhere have speed restrictions because of the gap in the rails on each end of the span.

https://www.railwayage.com/mw/movable-bridge-best-practices/

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:54 PM

Not too surprising about those restrictions.  Drawbridges of all types just about everywhere have speed restrictions because of the gap in the rails on each end of the span.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:53 PM

One of the videos noted that in Stuart there will be reduced speeds for the drawbridge and sharper curves. 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:26 AM

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To what extent are the speed restrictions based on risk assessments vs. political considerations?

They are based entirely on FRA criteria: the 110mph is the highest permissible speed where there are grade crossings (and this assumes four-quadrant gates, medians and some other security features) and the 125mph is determined by PRIIA HrSR as an economic high speed that can be reached and sustained by diesel-electric power.  (Note that with a given passenger consist, if one locomotive can reach 100mph, 2 will be required to reach 125mph, and the Brightline sets are 'top and tail' to give this.  Locomotives with higher horsepower, such as MP54ACs, would be needed for any higher peak speed).

This is different from the actual speed that Brightline trains will operate day to day.  The concerns you mention may qualify as reasons to limit speed under Federal law, for example if there is a pattern of grade-crossing accidents or trespasser suicide in certain areas.  I would not be surprised to see speeds voluntarily reduced in certain areas, particularly toward the south end of the FEC corridor, for political-favor reasons; there is relatively little actual need for blistering speed until the service 'establishes itself' between major endpoints.

I do not know if the Jacksonville extension, if achieved, will be 110mph standard, nor do I know if the proposed extension west of Orlando to the west-coast points of interest would be 125, 110, or slower.

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Posted by PJS1 on Monday, March 27, 2023 8:56 PM

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The whole rationale for building the Orlando extension with no grade crossings was to get the 125mph rating.

110 on the line south of Cocoa is the maximum permissible with grade crossings -- and that's quad-gated with long actuation, medians, etc.  

To what extent are the speed restrictions based on risk assessments vs. political considerations?

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 27, 2023 12:29 PM

The whole rationale for building the Orlando extension with no grade crossings was to get the 125mph rating.

110 on the line south of Cocoa is the maximum permissible with grade crossings -- and that's quad-gated with long actuation, medians, etc.  I do not know where the permanent slower sections and restrictions are, but it shouldn't be difficult to find them.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, March 25, 2023 8:12 PM

I have always heard 125 & 110 mph.  A number of earlier posts are about 110mph testing on the existing Coast line.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:41 AM

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Roaming railfan's video of first 125 MPH trips and snipit of one 130 MPH run.

First 125mph Brightline Test Train on the Orlando Line - YouTube

 

Did Brightline just change their speed limits?    Thought I heard a Brightline PR person state the speed limit on the Orlando line would now be 125 mph and the speed limit on the coast line down to Miami would be 110 mph.    I always thought it was 110 mph for the Orlando line and 80 mph for the coast line.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, March 24, 2023 7:10 AM

Workin' at the Train Wash ...

 

 

 

 

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