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[quote user="243129"]The observations I made about the 501 disaster are there for you to dispute............... So Herr Landwehr dispute my observations as to the cause(s) of the 501 disaster and tell me how electronic aids are the be all to end all. I'll wait.[/quote] Since when do you own this thread and can determine what we discuss? You not even started it. You don't realize, when we talk about the FRA accident statistic we discuss your observations too. There are the impartial FRA numbers and there are your very biased personal observations that doesn't seem to fit together. The statistic doesn't say, there is no room for improvement. Let me say it this way, the Amtrak procedures were good enough to get the number of human error accidents down but apparently not good enough to avoid Amtrak #188 and #501. It seems to me that Amtrak, backed by the statistic, felt they were good enough when "243129" approached them in 2012 long before the cited accidents. The style of the letters and leaving before lunch didn't help to open doors. I don't rely on statistics, I work with them. The statistic looks into the past to control the success of efforts taken to reduce human error accidents. It doesn't stop accidents from happening in the future and it will not eliminate human error. Nothing can eliminate human error totaly. Damning statistics means giving away a valuable control tool. I'll better wait for the NTSB Final Report, to get an unbiased view.
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