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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:42 PM

The problem you pose has already been solved on the ex-IC Metra Electric and the South Shore for gallery cars, and European commuter equipment for lozenge-shaped end-vestibule cars.  

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:52 PM

If there is a will - there is a way

No will - no way

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Sunday, February 26, 2017 8:48 PM

What's funny about all of this is that most of the plans also call for grade-crossing elimination along most of the route, which is technically feasible in most cities with few exceptions(Atherton and Menlo Park being two prime examples).  Atherton already lost it's stop because of whiners...the withholding of Federal Funds is just Denhams tactic of So-Cal vs Nor-Cal(besides the fact he's anti-Rail).  The money is already in the Federal budget for 2017, so why hold it up to see what Donald does with the 2018 budget?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:20 PM

What our low level advocates appear to forget is Caltrain's need to reduce travel time between end points.  The ability to reduce station dwell times  is part of that need.  That allows Caltrain to run an additional train during rush hours.

As well the use of Caltrain's baby bullets that by pass short platform stations but make cross platform transfers between locals and bullets is a factor in reducing station dwell..

Caltrain is certainly planning to eliminate at least at some grade crossings at one end of stations and then those stations can get longer platforms if needed.  Eventual length of platforms may be set by the under  construction transbay terminal platform lengths.  Any one know ?

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Posted by MikeF90 on Monday, February 27, 2017 4:11 PM

I must retract part of my last post; even though electrification is barely cost justifiable given the modest frequency increase, it is necessary for CalTrain access to the new TTC.

The TTC website is very opaque with respect to facilities details. Most CalTrain platforms are 600 foot long and the TTC box looks like it could accomodate longer ones. The TTC will have six tracks with three (center?) platforms.

However, the problematic issue was glossed over in the EIR - ground side station access by rubber tire vehicles.  Many CalTrain stations have very poor street access, so those large tech company shuttle buses (not to mention public transit) have limited options. Grade crossing elimination will be very difficult and expensive due to extremely high property values. Street closures will have little support and would make the old downtown areas even more gridlocked.

As for Congressman Denham's involvement, he is a certifiable idiot fairly typical politician.  Many of his constituents commute by ACE Rail to the South Bay.

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Monday, February 27, 2017 4:33 PM

MikeF90

~snip~

Grade crossing elimination will be very difficult and expensive due to extremely high property values. Street closures will have little support and would make the old downtown areas even more gridlocked.

~snip~

That has already been addressed, at least in part, with very few exceptions intersections that are near grade crossings will be eliminated thereby allowing the construction of either overpasses or underpasses...besides Menlo Park, Atherton and perhaps a couple of others all of the preliminary design(at least sketchwork) for replacing the vast majority of at grade crossings as been done.  The problem with property values is taken care of by the use of eminate domain(perfectly legal in this case so it would behove property owners to take what they could get, or they could get absolutely zero).

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Monday, February 27, 2017 4:49 PM

GERALD L MCFARLANE JR
The problem with property values is taken care of by the use of eminate domain(perfectly legal in this case so it would behove property owners to take what they could get, or they could get absolutely zero).

You know nothing about eminent domain. The taking agency must pay fair market value for the property. Its practical effect is to prevent one or more property owners from holding up a project, in terms of money and time both.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, May 22, 2017 5:30 PM
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 9, 2018 7:01 PM

Delayed finding this but Caltrain has started stringing CAT,

Linden Avenue Grade Crossing

 

 

 

Starting August 24, Caltrain will begin installation of overhead wire along the corridor in South San Francisco as part of Caltrain Electrification. Vehicles may experience short delays at the Linden Avenue grade crossing during wire installation. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. For more information on Caltrain Electrification, please visit www.calmod.org.

 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, December 7, 2018 6:51 PM

Caltrain is ordereing additional cars and train sets.  The order will allow for expansion of all trains to 7 cars and provide for 3 additional train sets.  Caltrain expects a potential of 240,000 passengers per weekday.  Several thoughts.

1.  Can remember when SP was carrying 20 - 30 k ?

2.  Max 7 car train present lengths possible due to non expandable platforms.  Streets at both ends.  Maybe Caltrain could make some stops where front or rear doors would not open ?  Are cars designed to do that ?

3.  Will this require additional electrical power capacity to be built ?

4.  Is there enough parking available.?

5.  Will BART siphon off some of this potential ? 

http://www.caltrain.com/about/MediaRelations/news/New_Funding_Allows_Caltrain_to_Purchase_Additional_Electric_Cars.html

 

 

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Saturday, December 8, 2018 10:43 AM

The first Caltrain's electric body's have been here in Salt Lake City since September. The report that CalTrain is buying more cars is exciting (more chances for us railfans here to watch them coming in and out of the Utah plant then!)

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:55 PM

Have come across Caltain minutes from June 2018 that they have purchased 2 Amtrak AEM-7ACs to begin testing the CAT before the EMUs are delivered.  One AEM may be used for parts ?

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:31 PM

More carbodies arriving in Salt Lake City today... things seem to be picking up pace here!

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Posted by narig01 on Friday, February 8, 2019 2:23 PM

daveklepper

Good points.  But still, PRR never used M-1s in commuter service, the last steam in commuter service were K-4's on the NY&LB and G-5's (G-6's?) elsewere. Ditto, of course, LIRR, both types, but onloy a few K-4's. Similary, no Niagras on NYC commut\er trains, occasional Hudsons, yes.  Never a Q O-4 on commuter trains, etc., Milwaukee, Northwestern.  And the SF lines isn't any hillier.

 

Dave just outta curiosity do you know what steam the Central used north of the electrified territory in either the Hudson or Harlem lines?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, February 8, 2019 9:23 PM

narig01
Dave just outta curiosity do you know what steam the Central used north of the electrified territory in either the Hudson or Harlem lines?

From pictures I see on the Harlem Division, it was often Pacifics.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:50 AM

Definitely Pacifics, a few equipped with special generators to light and heat MUs hauled as trailers between Harmon and Peekskill.  In latter years, after the first road diesels arrived, a few J1 Hudsons did show up on rush houe Poughkeepsie runs.

The Putnam was powered by 4-6-0s, both passenger and freight.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, May 31, 2019 6:21 PM

Was just in the SFO / Burlingame area this week and saw that they have installed towers, but no wire.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, May 31, 2019 7:43 PM
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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, June 13, 2019 7:11 AM

Was able to grab some quick photos this trip and channel my inner K.P.!!

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, January 8, 2022 10:34 PM

Jan 6th 2022 construction update.  Note some segments are almost ready for live wire tests.  Wonder if the Amtrak electrics will be close behind on the activated segments?

Caltrain Electrification Update January 6, 2022

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Posted by Geezer Ed on Monday, January 10, 2022 4:11 PM

blue streak 1

Jan 6th 2022 construction update.  Note some segments are almost ready for live wire tests.  Wonder if the Amtrak electrics will be close behind on the activated segments?

Caltrain Electrification Update January 6, 2022

 

blue streak 1

Jan 6th 2022 construction update.  Note some segments are almost ready for live wire tests.  Wonder if the Amtrak electrics will be close behind on the activated segments?

Caltrain Electrification Update January 6, 2022

 

[quote user="blue streak 1"]

Jan 6th 2022 construction update.  Note some segments are almost ready for live wire tests.  Wonder if the Amtrak electrics will be close behind on the activated segments?

Caltrain Electrification Update January 6, 2022

 

blue streak 1

Jan 6th 2022 construction update.  Note some segments are almost ready for live wire tests.  Wonder if the Amtrak electrics will be close behind on the activated segments?

Caltrain Electrification Update January 6, 2022

 

blue streak 1

Jan 6th 2022 construction update.  Note some segments are almost ready for live wire tests.  Wonder if the Amtrak electrics will be close behind on the activated segments?

Caltrain Electrification Update January 6, 2022

 

Don't expect any Amtrak electrics. Amtrak uses only a few miles of the electrified corridor.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Monday, January 10, 2022 5:20 PM

He was referring to the two ex Amtrak AEM-7AC's that Caltrain bought to use as test units when commissioning segments of their electrification. 

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