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Posted by 54light15 on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 11:27 PM

Or the three wise men: Moses, Lawrence and Jerome. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 7:50 PM

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I'll take Harpo, Chico, Zeppo and Groucho over almost anybody.  CowboyChefCaptainDunce 

Or Stan and Ollie!  

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Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 7:06 PM

Them too!  Big Smile

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 6:55 PM

pennytrains

I'll take Harpo, Chico, Zeppo and Groucho over almost anybody.  CowboyChefCaptainDunce

 

Or Stan and Ollie!  

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Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 6:44 PM

I'll take Harpo, Chico, Zeppo and Groucho over almost anybody.  CowboyChefCaptainDunce

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 5:47 PM

Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey are pretty good when they're not playing Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey.

Jerry Lewis is dead now so it doesn't matter.

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Posted by 54light15 on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 4:28 PM

It could be the Yonkers station. It was used in Boardwalk Empire. 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 3:49 PM

slightly off topic.  There is a train station that is often used in TV shows. Just saw a Blue Boods episode that used this station many scenes.  It appears to me that it is Hartford's train station.  It has high ceilings which eliminates most east coast stations.  Anyone recognize it?

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Posted by rixflix on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 6:31 AM

It's the subtle, often cockeyed (unless you're a Czech) humor that brings me back to the film. Now Jerry Lewis, Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey are actors I could cheerfully strangle. I even keep people who like them at a distance.

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Posted by 54light15 on Tuesday, April 5, 2022 9:35 PM

I watched "Closely Watched Trains" I wanted to like it, but it was so boring! 

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Posted by rixflix on Tuesday, April 5, 2022 8:20 PM

Despite it's title "Closely Watched Trains" neatly fits this thread's intent. A personal favorite.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:55 PM

First NDG, and now my favorite Plantagenet!

Strange you should mention this: I tuned in to watch that scene last Saturday!

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Posted by pennytrains on Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:49 PM

I'm not going back to see if it was mentioned already, but I just saw the chase scene from the French Connection today with Gene Hackman trying to chase down the El to get the bad guy on the train!  Fantastic!

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, April 5, 2022 8:01 AM

I started watching a 1931 movie "Mystery Train" starring Hedda Hopper, who I had only previously heard of as reporter on Hollywood activities. Fairly early on there was a nighttime train derailment. The real train shots were of a Southern Pacific Mountain type with a fairly crude model derailing. I found the actual movie tedious, so I scanned through for any further train sequences.

Around 58 minutes in there was a sequence where the sleeper-observation was detached by two criminals intent on stealing jewels from a passenger in that car.

Naturally the Westinghouse brakes didn't operate on either the car or the rest of the train (nor did the hand brakes later in the movie). There is a sequence around 59 minutes that shows the car being uncoupled from a moving train, which appears to be a real train. There is movement in the trees in that scene, which judging from other model sequences suggest that was real. There are a couple of further sequences of the observation running away down grade that look real (if speeded up for effect).

Around 1 hour there is a scene, obviously a model, showing the observation switched into a spur line seconds before being hit by a following train.

I can't see that they would use really good models and really poor models in the same movie.

Anyway, I recommend that anyone interested selectively watch the train sequences.

In one of the real train passing shots, the cast lettering reading "Southern Pacific Lines" can be seen on the side of the Vanderbilt tender. These views seem to have been photographed on steep, curved lines, possibly Chatsworth Rocks or possibly Cajon Pass.

But I can't recommend watching the movie.

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Posted by 54light15 on Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:51 AM

I'm going to have to watch that film- fascinating-never seen a Double Fairlie in action before. Note the Model T Ford truck, they were built in the U.K. 

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Posted by M636C on Sunday, April 3, 2022 7:56 AM

I may have mentioned this one before...

A 1935 movie called "The Phantom Light" about a scheme to wreck ships by faking lighthouse lights in bad weather...

It starts with a journey on the Talyllyn railway behind a double Fairlie, including a woman in full Welsh traditional dress including hat changing the "staff" for the electric staff safeworking system. In the movie, she only speaks Welsh.

The sequence is only three minutes right at the start of the movie and is worth watching for the atmosphere of the line before preservation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVfqTJZi4AU

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Sunday, March 27, 2022 11:30 PM

L.A. area. Suspect that the scene with the trolley wires supported by span wires was somewhere on the Pacific Electric as steam wa often operated on some of the PE lines.

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Posted by 54light15 on Sunday, March 27, 2022 8:14 PM

Here's Laurel and Hardy on a train- any idea where it was filmed? Note the catenary near the end. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkBVxuBBrE 

I think I may have posted part of this before, I've never seen the entire film. 

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Posted by 54light15 on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 11:06 PM

We've all seen Buster Keaton in "The General" but have a look at this: "The Blacksmith" with train, car and horse gags. Funny as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmbfP1KwIB8&t=16s 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:36 PM

Just saw the movie "The Boys next dor"  About challenged adults.  End of movie they all boarded a Budd car train to Vancouver Anchorage, and Russia.   Wife completely broke up.

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Posted by M636C on Friday, March 11, 2022 12:48 AM

I watched a "Bulldog Drummond" movie "Bulldog Drummond's Secret Police".

These are set in England but were filmed in Hollywood with English actors in the lead roles.

The opening scene shows Drummond in a right hand drive open car passing a train travelling in the same direction. This is a Southern Pacific train, hauled by a Pacific and made up of arch roof Harriman cars. The scene was all filmed with back projection of the train scenes on a studio set, but included Drummond just beating the train across a grade crossing. That scene looked like the train might have been filmed in Cajon Pass on the old Route 66.

Drummond was supposedly heading for his home "Rockingham Towers" in England. The scene now changes to Rockingham station where a train (possibly the one Drummond overtook) pulls in.

This appears to be stock footage at a major station on the London Brighton and South Coast Railway, possibly on the Southern Railway after 1923. The film clip shows an LBSCR 4-4-2 tank locomotive hauling a British Pullman car (in brown and cream) and and a number of slightly different cars in a single dark colour.

The movie was released in 1939, but this train footage was much older, since the 4-4-2 tanks would not have been seen on Pullman trains after the late 1920s.

The dark coloured cars appear to have been from the "Folkestone Car Train". These cars were built in England in 1897 and were used in competiton with Pullman cars on "boat trains" meeting the ferries from Dover to Calais and return. These were built for the South Eastern Railway, later merged with the London Chatham and Dover as the South Eastern and Chatham.

The SECR were not as anti-Pullman as the SER, and sold these eight cars (and seven similar but older American built cars) to Pullman in 1919.

So the scene was probably post 1919 to see these cars behind an LBSC locomotive. The locomotive didn't appear to have the large numbers on the tank sides used by the Southern post 1923, so the scene may date to the early 1920s.

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Posted by M636C on Thursday, February 17, 2022 6:35 PM

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I started watching a Gene Hackman movie called "March or Die" (one of those Sir Lew Grade productions) which begins with a scene of WWi veterans teturning behind a locomotive with smoke deflectors, and then some scenes of travel on ostensibly Indian railroads -- I don't know if these were shot on location in Spain, but if you have an interest, you can watch it free on YouTube and take note of the details.  Be advised that the plot and some of the ham acting is frequently excruciating.

 

The only copy of "March or Die" I could find on youtube was dubbed in Spanish, which seemed appropriate and saved me from the dialogue...

The first scene is definitely in Spain and the locomotive is one of the 141-2101 type, a 2-8-2 built from 1954 until 1960, so there were plenty still around for movie makers. The later (desert?) scene appears to show another Spanish locomotive, a 140-2001 type, a 2-8-0 built by Baldwin in 1920, for some reason fitted with a fake oil burning headlight.

These two types were also used in the movie "Doctor Zhivago", with the 2-8-2 powering the special train for "Strelnikov"...

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:42 PM

My wif bought a DVD collection of te Green Hornet serials. Notes with the DVD stated that filming took maybe three weeks, and economics of serials dictated re-using a lot of the shots. Reminds me of the 12 O'Clock High TV series, where the Messerschmidt with the big "3" on the side would show up in just about every episode.

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:10 AM

I started watching "March or Die" on the tube about 30 or so years ago.  Turned it off after about 20 minutes.  

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:43 AM

I started watching a Gene Hackman movie called "March or Die" (one of those Sir Lew Grade productions) which begins with a scene of WWi veterans teturning behind a locomotive with smoke deflectors, and then some scenes of travel on ostensibly Indian railroads -- I don't know if these were shot on location in Spain, but if you have an interest, you can watch it free on YouTube and take note of the details.  Be advised that the plot and some of the ham acting is frequently excruciating.

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Posted by M636C on Wednesday, February 16, 2022 2:59 AM

I found the 1930s movie serial of the "Green Hornet" on youtube. One episode was missing, but those left ran for around three hours...

The serials   used "location" shots multiple times. There was one scene parking the Green Hornet's car under some trees that appeared at least once in every episode.

There were two train scenes (or one train scene used twice). This used an SP Harriman Pacific No 2423 hauling a short freight train. In the first use, some criminals board the locomotive to escape the Green Hornet, and in the second use, the criminals board the caboose. I suspect it was all filmed at once, although probably not in a single "take" (although it is quite possible).

One consistent feature of all episodes was the "cliff hanger" ending where the ending of an episode appeared to show the hero being killed, and the beginning of the next showed the same scenes with additional scenes cut in to show the hero escaping...

I think one of these included a model scene with freight cars running away on a steep grade.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, February 1, 2022 5:23 PM

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Has "Bad Day at Black Rock" been mentioned?

I believe it has.  This is one BIG successful topic!

Just a question returning to things "PA."  Anyone know the status of Doyle McCormack's Alco PA restoration?  There hasn't been much said about it lately, at least not that I've heard.

Mind you, I'm not critisizing Doyle in any way.  It's downright miraculous what he's accomplished so far!

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Posted by Ed Kyle on Tuesday, February 1, 2022 3:17 PM

Has "Bad Day at Black Rock" been mentioned?  A "Neo-Western" with Spencer Tracy, Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Anne Francis, Walter Brennan, and a streamliner crossing the desert on Southern Pacific's now-gone "Jawbone Branch".

 - Ed Kyle

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, February 1, 2022 5:34 AM

Overmod

If I recall the RyPN discussions (in some of which I took part) there are other A-1-A trucks in other parts of the world that could be adapted and used; Pakistan as I recall had some that were not the World Locomotive trucks as in SA, and I believe some PAs were exported (to Brazil?) where, even though broad-gauged, many of the truck components including the distinctive visual ones could be utilized... with enough cubic dollars.

The Pakistani units were FA-2s fitted with trucks from an RSC-3 (so FAC-2 if you like). These are very short wheelbase to fit more or less into the space of the standard GSC B trucks. They were 1676mm gauge.

The Brazilian units had genuine PA trucks at 1600mm gauge. These could be fitted with standard gauge axles if required, although some adjustments of the brake gear would be required. All the "World" bogies in Auistralia were 1600 mm castings, fitted with standard or broad gauge wheelsets as required (although they came with fittings for brake gear on both gauges.)

I'm not sure that you could find a Brazilian PA, since there were only three to start with and I think they want to preserve one, (unsurprisingly).

It would be relatively easy to fabricate a frame that looked like a PA truck these days, and possibly cheaper than trying to use parts of a Brazilian truck.

Peter

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