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Posted by Erik_Mag on Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:03 PM

NDG

 Back in Fifties there was a TV Show called ' Rescue 8 ' which featured a plot centered around piled streetcars.

 
 

I remember seeing that episode back in the early 1960's, the YouTube clip cut out the opening sequence showing the cash being stuffed in the trolley car.

 

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Posted by NDG on Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:03 AM
 

Viewed that episode of Rescue 8 when it was first broadcast, having a 1958 Pontiac which was quite similar.
 
I had forgotten the plot centred around the money, remembering just the streetcar portion.
 
In our travels we had experienced streetcars piled ready for burning @ Youville Main Shops.
 
Entrance to Transfer Table.
 
 
 
 
Above car frame foreground  the hopper for sand can be seen above TM opening, this was under a lengthways wooden fold up seat. Ditto on right side. 
 
Best place to sit looking down right rail thru tall narrow window at this location.
 
The condemned cars had a Circle Rouge/Red Circle painted on them, and often their Trolley Poles were removed.
 
They were pulled sideways off their trucks by Electric Locomotives MTC 5001 and 5002. Both Preserved.
 
Once Winter arrived and the snow deep enough, the cars were burnt, at night, so sparks could be followed in the wind.
 
The Fire Dept. would be on hand creating a real spectacle.
 
After Ste. Catherine was converted to Autobus in 1956, there were HUNDREDS of cars surplus.
 
 
On our trips West thru Cornwall, Ontario, we always stopped by Courtauld's plant to check and see if this had been scrapped or not. Montreal Street Railway Shops, 1900.
 
 
It was NOT.
 
 
 
Also readily apparent were the long scrap lines of Steam in various yards.
 
I was here, but, not in the photo. CN 1521 Preserved. Belpaire Firebox.
 
 
Doctorwayne Class, Santa Fe, Nee B&A,
 
 
Locomotive on right, CN 89.
 
 
Anyway, back in '58 we had much to think about observing more and more Diesels and Autobuses and the lengthening lines of Steam.
 
TV a Diety right in the Parlour, along with supper, on TV Trays.
 
Much has been said and written discussing the effects TV had on the World.
 
 
FWIW.
 
Just found these.
 
I had not seen this Article before, but DID lap it up like Cream!  Scroll down to Page 104.
 
 
Also.
 


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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:45 AM

As posted on Classic last night:

NDG-- As a betting man I would have bet large that Montreal would keep its Streetcars (and Interurbans) and Toronto would have ripped up every single streetcar line. I would have lost large, still is a headshaker.

Liked your story about the Buffalo visit and the FM trio H10-44's working away ( over on String Lining). 

So here is its big brother the H20-44. This one is in Avis, Pennsylvania but I think some of these were assigned to the branch that went up to Ottawa, Ontario and likely the last loco assigned to that service. It's a handsome beast, mighty long horn! Looks like a boss! 

 The Canadian Rail article on Montreal Streetcars and trailers is terrific. Have been a long time susbsciber and vaguely remember that piece, nice to be reminded. It is a fabulous publication and a great organization. 

Also posted on Classic several items and info on the Rosedale as you requested ( (just in case it gets buried behind a bunch of comments and you miss it) . 

I have a Private message for you from a former fellow Forum well known member if  there is some way to get it to you. I think you will find the info quite special.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:14 PM

Miningman
So here is its big brother the H20-44. This one is in Avis, Pennsylvania but I think some of these were assigned to the branch that went up to Ottawa, Ontario and likely the last loco assigned to that service. It's a handsome beast, mighty long horn! Looks like a boss! 

We should remember that this is one of the great not-quite-successful experiments in what railroads would want in a diesel 'conversion'.

FM had a prime mover with good power density and relatively short length, which could be carried on four axles.  They decided (for valid 1947-era reasons) to make this on the shortest possible chassis (you can get more cars in your sidings that way, and pay for less metal and weight) and to do that with the length of a 2000hp OP engine and its 'submarine-grade' cooling system, they used a switcher-style end cab.

Note that this is not 'functionally' different from a boxcab with only one driving end, and it has all the visibility needed to do yard switching if you want a unit to do that, plus all the capability of a transfer engine, road-switcher, or full freight engine ... if you don't mind boxcab-grade operational safety.

PRR learned very early just why you don't want an end-cab unit in high-speed service, at Deans in 1934, and their response was the development of the P5a 'modifieds' with much more metal in much longer ends.  Other railroads, and various operating brotherhoods, had similar experiences leading to a general 'unpopularity' of rocking-chair exposure either to things being collided with or to the first car of one's train getting 'up close and personal' in case of derailment or other incident where the engine running long-hood-forward stops before the train does.

By the time you put a long hood on a 2000hp road engine... you're getting into five-axle weight at least, and you might as well bump right up to 2400hp on six axles and have a ...

 

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Posted by NDG on Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:54 AM

 

FWIW.
 
Currently on ebay.
 
' In Service ' Tramways' Train Photo.
 
 
 
Same Seller.
 
M&SC Trailer.
 
 
Sheet metal each side of door protects wood sheathing from dings and gouges from errant baggage carts.
 

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Posted by NDG on Monday, March 9, 2020 3:14 AM

 

CPR Steam Disposal 1963. Pg. 48.
 
 
FWIW.
 
At the rear is a Cartoon from Doug Wright regarding UP Diesels moving CP Tons.
 
This location has been gone for decades. Access was via a pedestrian overpass above CNR.
 
Trace of walkway, here.
 
 
We used to bike out here, stopping at the long gone Dairy Queen for treats.
 

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Posted by NDG on Monday, March 9, 2020 4:23 AM

 

The Topic That Won't Go Away.
 
 
FWIW.
 
Eastbound Streetcar Dorchester at Mansfield showing street islands descending
into Concourse CNR Central Station, Montreal.
 
 
Looking West. Sun Life Building, Right.
 
Google.
 
 
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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 9, 2020 11:02 AM

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At the rear is a Cartoon from Doug Wright regarding UP Diesels moving CP Tons.

Ironic considering that other 'topic that won't go away', the derailment a year ago that recently 'came up' again with new video ... prominently showing the UP 'participant' once again.

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Posted by NDG on Monday, March 9, 2020 11:50 AM

Went for bike ride yesterday, Sixty years later. It snowed and sucked.

Train to Nelson and Trail went by. Had ECO EMDish power.

Most trains, however, are much/all UP Power.

Some power moves East have up to eight 8 locomotives w every road under the Sun represented.

Many Changes.

 

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Posted by NDG on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:08 AM

 

FYI.
 
On ebay.
 
OPs @ Baltimore.
 
 
 
 
Also on ebay.
 
 
The branchline Lightweight version.
 
 
Running cab forward they overheated in summer.
 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:34 AM
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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:54 PM

Some sad news:

http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=20428

https://www.flickr.com/photos/henk/37269817766

HornepayneStationNotice.jpg

A highly ironic use of the CN 100 logo/letterhead.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 9:15 PM

SD70Dude
A highly ironic use of the CN 100 logo/letterhead.

Can you provide the text of the letter you sent Wilkinson and Chouc, indicating in detail why this building ought to be preserved (or, presumably, restored if in a demolition-worthy state)?

Ditto to the other people who read this thread and are motivated to write.

I don't know enough about the situation (yet) to write anything other than a foamer's letter that would probably do more harm than good.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 9:42 PM

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SD70Dude
A highly ironic use of the CN 100 logo/letterhead.

Can you provide the text of the letter you sent Wilkinson and Chouc, indicating in detail why this building ought to be preserved (or, presumably, restored if in a demolition-worthy state)?

Ditto to the other people who read this thread and are motivated to write.

I don't know enough about the situation (yet) to write anything other than a foamer's letter that would probably do more harm than good.

While the CN letter is dated February 25, I only found out about this news this afternoon, and have not yet had the time to compose a proper letter. 

Even if I were to, my status as a Train/Engine service employee within the Company means that to upper management my opinion is worth even less than the general public's. 

I've only passed through Hornepayne a couple times on the passenger train, and did not have the chance to examine the building in detail.  But from photos it appears this one may be too far gone to save, just like the Biggar, SK roundhouse and station, both of which were demolished within the past few years. 

My purpose in re-posting the notification here and on RYPN is not to attempt to organize a saviour campaign (I don't have the time or energy for that, besides being 2000 km away).  I intended only to spread the unfortunate final news, and perhaps stir some thoughts about other, more local landmarks that are more realistically saveable.

I don't know a huge amount about the Hornepayne station's history, but there are at least a few Ontarioans on RYPN who will.

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Posted by cx500 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 12:01 PM

While in some ways unfortunate, the reality is that Hornepayne is too out of the way for this station to serve any valuable role once the railway had no more need.  The town was once Divisional HQ for the area, complete with dispatchers, shops and the whole related complex of support facilities and staff, and the station's size reflects that.  It certainly is out of proportion to the town's need, and probably ability to maintain it even if somehow it had been ceded over years ago when it was perhaps in more repairable condition.  But one of the unintended consequences of the Railway Station Heritage Act would have made even that possibility fraught with challenges.

If you look on a map, or Google Earth you will see how remote Hornepayne is.  The only tourists it will see are railfans and hunters, and folks riding the train spending a few minutes outside during a servicing stop.  Although I have driven across Canada a number of times, I never invested the significant additional time required to take a side trip off the main highways to visit the town.

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Posted by NDG on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:59 PM
FYI.
 
Budd Demo RDC Hits Truck. Note Markers.
 
Time 7:37.
 
 

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:10 PM

Nice soundtrack. Very fine! 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:06 AM

NDG

I wonder how many MU cars with truss rods existed over the years.  

The paired-window construction is, I think, a guide to where the carbodies came from.  See the picture in the historical account, further down, of the 'museum train' in 1953, with somewhat Stilwell-like cars that have these paired windows with both plain and arch heads -- the MU car appearance is a really effective (particularly in 1925!) modernization with smooth sides.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Friday, March 20, 2020 3:17 AM

FYI,

I posted this to one of the DP/Locotrol threads too, here's the brief Transport Canada summary of a recent incident involving a switching move gone wrong.  A poster on another forum who is from the area stated that it got up to over 80 mph.

Accident/Incident Type:UNCONTROLLED MOVEMENT OF
R/S
INCIDENT
2020-03-10 16:00 Classification: 5
Province: Nearest Town/City:
Subdivision Owner:
Subdivision Name:
SASKATCHEWAN DANA
CN - CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAY CO.
Aberdeen Subdivision Mileage: 24.60
Location:
Details:
DG Cars Involved:
Train Operator:
Yard Name:
0
CN - CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAY CO.
DG Released: 0
Spur Name: Spur Mileage:
Injuries:
Fatal: 0 Serious: 0 Minor: 0
Occurrence Summary:
CN assignment L52442-10 operating light engine (CN 3893, CN 3181, UP 7920) set out unit UP 7920 on the Main track at mile 24.6
Aberdeen Sub and reversed up the Totzke Spur to lift their potash loads. At the same time unit UP 7920 moved Eastward,
uncontrolled. The crew received an alert from the UP 7920 and stopped the unit at mile 19.5 Aberdeen Sub. after going over 5
crossings. No conflicting movements. No derailment. No injuries.

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, March 20, 2020 10:47 AM

80 mph!  Holeeee. Like one of those off leash doggie free-run parks.

CN was very very lucky considering all the bad mishaps on the railroads in Saskatchewan lately. Had something occurred that resulted in a big pile up or fires there would be Royal Commissions dispatched to Saskatchewan immediately to query what the heck is going on over there.  

Them there will be hell to pay. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, March 20, 2020 10:56 AM

"Bad engine!  Bad, bad 7920!  Nobody said you could run around loose like that!"

Sorry, Vince said "dog park" and my imagination ran wild.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, March 20, 2020 11:11 AM

Flintlock76

"Bad engine!  Bad, bad 7920!  Nobody said you could run around loose like that!"

Sorry, Vince said "dog park" and my imagination ran wild.

 

What about letting your dog run freely, with the lease attached to its collar in an area in which it is required that dogs be on leashes--and you do not hold the other end of the leash? I have seen such a situation near where I live. Smile

Now, back to railroading.

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Posted by NDG on Friday, March 20, 2020 3:59 PM

 

Horizontal Shutters, Alco-GE 539 Switchers.
 
I have been keeping a look out for Alco GE 539s w/Horizontal Shutters
 
Here is one on the D&H.
 
 
From this site.
 
 
Some RS1s had Horizontal Shutters.
 
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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, March 20, 2020 4:17 PM

Flintlock76

"Bad engine!  Bad, bad 7920!  Nobody said you could run around loose like that!"

Sorry, Vince said "dog park" and my imagination ran wild.

 

What about letting your dog run freely, with the lease attached to its collar in an area in which it is required that dogs be on leashes--and you do not hold the other end of the leash? I have seen such a situation near where I live. Smile

Now, back to railroading.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Friday, March 20, 2020 4:30 PM

Deggesty
Flintlock76

"Bad engine!  Bad, bad 7920!  Nobody said you could run around loose like that!"

Sorry, Vince said "dog park" and my imagination ran wild.

What about letting your dog run freely, with the lease attached to its collar in an area in which it is required that dogs be on leashes--and you do not hold the other end of the leash? I have seen such a situation near where I live. Smile

Now, back to railroading.

Now there's an interesting glitch, delayed double posting!

Those outside cast frame trucks with plain bearings on the D&H 3000 make it look extra tough.  Nice thick wheels too, being a new unit. 

The wheel rims should be painted white, just like the tires on steam engines!

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Posted by NDG on Friday, April 3, 2020 10:26 PM

 

A Nicer Topic for These Times?
 
Grand Coulee and a Shay.
 
Back to a different time.
 
Building the Grand Coulee Dam.
 
 
A  Shay appears @ Time 22:03.
 
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