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Sad Fall York Meet
Posted by rrlineman on Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:32 AM

Did 2 days at the Fall York TCA meet this week.. It was abour 1/3 third empty. Lots of empty table, tables still covered up to a hr after opening at 9am. In the orange hall they finaly had the chance to make the aisles more normal (because there were BIG gaps in the rows) and line up proberly but organizers choked on that-Again. Some of the regulat big sellers like Miller Enginnering and Charley Ro were no shows. in all the other halls, some sellers were resonable but most were trying to get EBAY prices for their stuff  including repaints and common items and even junk.!! Lionel was there but was in about 1/2 of the space they had before. It is a sad thing to see. and other then in and outside of the Orange Hall, food locations were a joke. the EASTERN TCA club needs to revise the whole meet if it is to continue. Came with 6 bennies to spend, went home with 5 and a Grant and a small bag of parts. The outdoor meet at the Hotel was a better deal.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, October 23, 2021 9:57 AM

Wow, that doesn't sound good.

I've got some friends from the club that go to York (for lack of a better term) religiously.  I'll be interested in what they have to say about it when they get back.

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Posted by V8Vega on Saturday, October 23, 2021 10:27 AM

There aren't any train shows at all in southern California anymore. TTOS is a shadow of what it used to be. I think TCA has completely disbanded.

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Posted by emdmike on Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:49 PM

Not good signs at all.  I can say the first few shows post lockdown in Indiana were packed, both with dealers and people.  The frist two had to be expanded to more buildings and even the parking lot(since the weather was nice) just to accomidate all the dealers that wanted tables.  Lets hope its a glitch and the spring meet will be better.  Hopefully that TCA division takes this to heart and does some revising to "refresh" the meet.  They all need to come to the realization, its not the old days anymore.  Its a long haul from where I live to York, was hoping to attend in the next year or two, but if high prices and empty tables await, its not worth my $$ in gas and drive time to attend.  

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Posted by DJSpanky on Saturday, October 23, 2021 2:40 PM

Dear god, it's almost like we're dealing with some kind of natural disaster!

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Posted by Leverettrailfan on Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:58 PM

I went to the small show in Massena NY where there was a decent toy train presence. Everyone was bemoaning the smaller crowds than usual. I was thrilled. 
Don't take it the wrong way though. I was sorry they weren't getting the numbers they hoped for... but also glad, because I learned after arriving that the COVID numbers there were pretty ugly compared to most of NY state. 
Low attendance isn't thrilling, but also... until being packed into a busy train show doesn't pose a high risk of contracting or spreading COVID-19 it's probably for the best that the numbers are down.

Now, the fact that dealers were charging ridiculous prices isn't something I'd feel forgiving of. Personally, I find half the fun of hunting for toy train goodies at a show is locating/negotiating the coveted "irresitable deal". If you can't get a decent deal at a show, then where can you get one?

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Posted by V8Vega on Sunday, October 24, 2021 8:58 AM

I go to a big church, it's attendance is only 2/3rds of what it was before the pandemic so some people are still afraid to get out and around.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, October 24, 2021 10:37 AM

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I went to the small show in Massena NY where there was a decent toy train presence. Everyone was bemoaning the smaller crowds than usual.

I guess a lot of this depends on where you are.  We had our first show in months in the spring, and the attendence was beyond our expectations.  Same with the show we had in August. 

We've got one coming up in November, but of course only time will tell how that turns out.  We're optimistic though considering the last two. 

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Posted by emdmike on Sunday, October 24, 2021 10:57 AM

I believe that to be especially true for the older generation.  The bulk of the crowd at the two shows we had this past spring, were younger modelers with their kids in tow.  The older and more at risk are probably avoiding crowds in general.  And most of the arm loads of trains going out the door at both shows were newer HO and N scale, along with G.  The O gauge tables were not nearly as busy with shoppers vs the HO and smaller scale/estate tables with those trains.   The couple guys with G scale were also doing a brisk business but then it was mid spring time, when garden railways start coming alive again.    

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Posted by DJSpanky on Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:31 AM

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The bulk of the crowd at the two shows we had this past spring, were younger modelers with their kids in tow.

That is actually a wonderful thing and speaks well for the future of the hobby we all enjoy. I wish more parents would consider this as an alternative to all the electronic entertainment their children face. When my boys were little, I used to do a setup at their school that the K-2 grades could come in and see. Little people as a whole, but especially little boys, were fascinated by the trains.

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Posted by Billwiz on Sunday, October 24, 2021 2:13 PM

V8Vega

I go to a big church, it's attendance is only 2/3rds of what it was before the pandemic so some people are still afraid to get out and around.

 

I pastor a small church - it's the same thing.  Attendance across the board is lower and experts say 20-30% will not come back.  Now take that to all aspects of life, we will see far fewer at train shows and other events.  The world is changing.  

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, October 24, 2021 3:55 PM

emdmike
The bulk of the crowd at the two shows we had this past spring, were younger modelers with their kids in tow. 

I am so  relieved when I see that!  It speaks well for the future of the hobby.

It's depressing when I go to a show and I'm "The Kid" at 68! 

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Posted by DJSpanky on Sunday, October 24, 2021 5:41 PM

Flintlock76
It's depressing when I go to a show and I'm "The Kid" at 68!

Geeze, that would make me the baby!

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Posted by fifedog on Monday, October 25, 2021 6:02 AM

My buddy, Tom, said he had his "best York ever", selling 12 of the 15 engines he had on his table. He liked the set-up of the rows, which allowed for standing behind the table, instead of having to be stationed within the aisle. 1/3 of attendees were donning masks (voluntarily).

His highlight was meeting JD Stucks and Chris from RBP Trains, who visited his table together. He had a great conversation with them.

There were no constant reminders to FOLLOW THE ARROWS. (I had to ask...Devil).

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, October 25, 2021 9:02 AM

I got a brief e-mail from our club president this morning who's got a train business on the side.  He said he did pretty well at York, no complaints.

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Posted by Major on Monday, October 25, 2021 5:22 PM

I did the pre shows at the firehalls and hotel. I noticed on Flyer item that some of the vendors had decent prices others however wanted too much for very common items. Had fun. Didn't do the York meet did a WW2 living history in Gettysburg instead. Why pay for York when the pre shows are free.

 

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Posted by Dave45681 on Monday, October 25, 2021 7:26 PM

fifedog
My buddy, Tom, said he had his "best York ever", selling 12 of the 15 engines he had on his table. He liked the set-up of the rows, which allowed for standing behind the table, instead of having to be stationed within the aisle. 1/3 of attendees were donning masks (voluntarily). His highlight was meeting JD Stucks and Chris from RBP Trains, who visited his table together. He had a great conversation with them

It sounds like I am right near your buddy Tom in the Red Hall (same stories of meeting the folks with YouTube channels. ;)).  A casual discussion near the end of the meet with a few others in our aisle thought perhaps the width of the space for the seating of sellers was a bit too narrow (since you need to walk by others to get out for any reason (food, bio-breaks, etc)).  The sellers on the end aisles might have had it slightly better since they had a wall behind them and not another table.

In any event, much credit to the TCA ED for puling this together in the way they did.  IMO, hopefully we can return to the old configuration in the not too distant future, though I would not be surprised if we stay in this aisle arrangement for April just in case (it would be a horrible exercise to try to go back and then have to modify again if things get worse to justify keeping the new aisle configuration, so I can certainly see procceding cautiously in April too)

As to the arrows, the Red Hall (at least) was missing arrows of any kind, other halls may have been similar.  Not sure why they did not put them down this time.  With the sellers not sitting in the aisles on each side, the traffic was probably light enough during most of the meet that there was only the occasional log jam with people going in opposite directions.

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Posted by Dave45681 on Monday, October 25, 2021 7:33 PM

Major

....... Why pay for York when the pre shows are free.

 

Maybe because if everyone doesn't pay for York, there eventually will be no York and then no "pre-shows" for a York meet that ceases to exist?

I somehow doubt the pre-shows would continue if the TCA meet itself were to cease.  I hope to not ever experience the circumstances to prove it.

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Posted by dlagrua on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 2:30 AM

Quick update: Missing dealers at York included Trainworld, Kalmbach, Nicholas Smith, Scenic Express, CharlieRo, Atlas, Hennings trains" and The other forum and magazine". The attendance apparently hit 9K but the meet was smaller than it had been.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 9:16 AM

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 9:22 AM

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Henning's has a YouTube channel, which is a lot of fun by the way, and in the last broadcast they brought up the York show.  In a nutshell they didn't go this time because they "Just weren't sure."  They ARE looking forward to the April show next year. 

Here's the Henning's channel, if you haven't watched it do so, it's fun!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC08b5iTlDNRH4l5IcnzwM7A

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Posted by NVSRR on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 10:01 AM

Scenic express is now down in Colorado.  Don't expect to see them there anymore.  With how much it would cost them for the trip.

 

on another note, I didn't even know the show was on.   I would have gone.  I do know the Allentown show is on which is another big postwar dealer show.

 

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Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, October 27, 2021 5:46 PM

Drove past the UAW hall today and the banner that says "TRAIN SHOW SATURDAY" is up and I'm going!  Big Smile

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, October 27, 2021 6:54 PM

pennytrains

Drove past the UAW hall today and the banner that says "TRAIN SHOW SATURDAY" is up and I'm going!  Big Smile

 

YEAH!  Go for it Becky!  Thumbs Up

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, October 27, 2021 7:20 PM

fifedog
His highlight was meeting JD Stucks and Chris from RBP Trains

Here's JD...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPLljZomHbg

Here's Chris...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crwOMFxaXM4  

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Posted by fifedog on Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:08 AM

Thanks, Flint. 

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Posted by anjdevil2 on Thursday, October 28, 2021 7:36 AM

This was my 1st York experience, so, this is my version/opinion.  I attended on Friday, as I had to work Saturday.  A 300 mile day trip.

The Silver and Blue halls were fraught with decent bargains and a variety of things that I could have parted with several hundred dollars and been quite satisfied.  Yes, there were open spaces/tables, but it did not take from the availability of products to purchase.  I made every hall, but the best bargains were the Blue/Silver and then the Purple Hall.  

I met up with a group from another forum (NOT the overbearing magazine one) and met several that I had talked to on the forums but not in real life.  Also met up with the Jersey guys.  We're planning a get together in Edison on the 24th of November.

I was not surprised on the amount of sub 20 somethings roaming the halls, the doom and gloomers are all wrong, I think the hobby is alive, well and vibrant.

As far as booty, I returned with a Chrysler 300 coupe and Convertible, a Bass Pro Shops LionChief Engine/Tender (for $89?????!!!) and a Silver Bell Express Caboose ($15, unlighted).  I would have spent more, but my mortgage is due and my daughter is getting married in a year....lol

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:37 AM

fifedog

Thanks, Flint. 

 

You're welcome!  Isn't their enthusiasm infectious?

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Posted by DJSpanky on Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:45 AM

anjdevil2
Also met up with the Jersey guys. We're planning a get together in Edison on the 24th of November.

I thought that was the 28th?

anjdevil2
As far as booty, I returned with a Chrysler 300 coupe and Convertible, a Bass Pro Shops LionChief Engine/Tender (for $89?????!!!) and a Silver Bell Express Caboose ($15, unlighted).

You definitely have a different definition of booty than I do!

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Posted by fifedog on Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:42 PM

When it comes to toy train videos, Chris from RBP simply gets "it". 

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