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Posted by palallin on Friday, December 17, 2021 9:52 PM

Oh, that 12-table layout; oh, my!  And the SG steam set behind the Hiawatha . . . .

Dream, indeed!

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Friday, December 17, 2021 4:17 PM

I received an email and photos from Charles Seims as well.  He says

"Hello Northwoods--here are some AF photographs with a nice Xmas theme....(snip).  The color photographs of the fabulous Flyer display were taken by me at the late lamented Cal Stewart train meet in Pasadena California.  They date from November 2007.  Feel free to use them any way you wish, and I hope your readers enjoy them."


 

 

Thank You Charles.  There is a lot there to dream about instead of sugarplums.

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Posted by palallin on Thursday, December 16, 2021 8:35 AM

Thanks, Northwoods flyer, for posting those for me!

Thanks, Becky.  The platform was inspired by Stu Shuster's layout, which has been in CTT a couple times. 

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Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 5:18 PM

Great pics!  I really like the platform too!  Big SmileThumbs Up

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Wednesday, December 15, 2021 12:56 PM

Here are the photos sent to me by palallin -

"Both photos show the train under our living room Christmas tree this year. while the accessories are mostly Lionel, I have my eye out for a couple Flyer pieces. Rumor has it that a lumber car may be arriving on Christmas Eve if I am a good boy. "  -  palallin


Thanks for sharing your photos. I'll put in a good word for you with the Jolly Old Elf.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, December 11, 2021 4:22 PM

palallin

Well, this post failed (and I cannot even delete it).

I attempted to post a couple pics, but I find that a hosting site is required.  Well, I have none and have no interest in signing up for one.  Sorry.

If any of the moderators happen to come upon this post, please delete it.

 

Palallin,

If you email the photos to me at the email in my profile I think I can upload them to my hosting site and then with your permission I can post them here.  I have done that before.

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Posted by palallin on Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:11 PM

Well, this post failed (and I cannot even delete it).

I attempted to post a couple pics, but I find that a hosting site is required.  Well, I have none and have no interest in signing up for one.  Sorry.

If any of the moderators happen to come upon this post, please delete it.

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Posted by pennytrains on Thursday, December 9, 2021 6:07 PM

Spectacular!  Thanks for sharing them!  Big SmileThumbs Up

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, December 9, 2021 3:25 PM

Trains at Christmas

I know that I have mentioned several times in this thread and in other places that I was born into a family with trains and that the trains preceded me. As I was going through family papers and memoribilia recently I found some photos of the trains at Christmas.  As near as I can tell these photos are from the mid to late 1950s.

My Dad loved Christmas and especially tinsel.

This is the layout that was put up every year around Thanksgiving and stayed up until Valentines Day although the tree never lasted that long.

All of the train equipment is American Flyer and was purchased second hand for my brother (although I think Dad enjoyed playing with it even more) and most of it is still in my collection.  The only thing that was lost was the #435 steamer which succumbed to zink pest.  In recent years I replaced it with a sturdy example.

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Posted by mersenne6 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:50 AM

I see.  You are correct. If you want information on specific cars then it is the only reference out there.  It does have an accessories section but about all it is good for is just a basic listing of accessories offered - the text in that section needs a major revision which I suspect you will never see.  There's a fair amount of updated accessory information in the earlier sections of this thread and there are several long posts over on the other magazine forum. If you check their Tinplate Toy Trains section and run a search on "American Flyer Stations" you will find a great deal.  In a similar vein a search on "American Flyer Tunnels" will provide additional updated information.

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Posted by AF Prewar on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:09 PM

Northwoods Flyer

WelcomeWell I hope that Santa brings the book and leaves it  under the tree.

AF Prewar.

I have not personally seen the book yet.  Everyone who comments on it or has seen it has raved about it. Knowing both of the contributors it can only be excellent.  The book is on my Christmas list.  I wish I had been able to go to York this year, it would have been #1 on my list of things to look pick up. Have you seen the videos that Fritz has posted on You tube at the daveclarklumber site?  They are outstanding.

Feel free to show us some photos of what you collect.

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 Well I hope that Santa brings you the book and leaves it under the tree. REgarding pictures, I found some nice ones with a Christmas theme.  Please send me an e-mail address so that I can forward them.  I'm not very computer literate.

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Posted by palallin on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 8:49 AM

Interesting.  Schuweiler is the one who did the Greenburg book, and it is the only basic reference that I know of.  The new book lists the sets, but I don't think it provides details of the individual engines/cars/accessories.  If you know of another source that does, I'd love to hear about it!

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Posted by mersenne6 on Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:34 AM

Palallin, I wouldn't waste my time looking for the Greenburg book. There was only the one edition and a great deal has been learned about AF WG since its publication.  I haven't seen the new book mentioned in this thread but with von Tagen and Schuweiler as authors their book has to be superior in every way.

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Posted by palallin on Tuesday, December 7, 2021 7:56 AM

The book is waiting to be wrapped to go under our tree this year.  I haven't been able to sneak a look yet, but I am eager to see it!

I wish I oculd find a copy of the AF WG Greenburg book for less than a house payment.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, December 6, 2021 1:29 PM

Welcome

AF Prewar.

I have not personally seen the book yet.  Everyone who comments on it or has seen it has raved about it. Knowing both of the contributors it can only be excellent.  The book is on my Christmas list.  I wish I had been able to go to York this year, it would have been #1 on my list of things to look pick up. Have you seen the videos that Fritz has posted on You tube at the daveclarklumber site?  They are outstanding.

Feel free to show us some photos of what you collect.

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Posted by AF Prewar on Friday, December 3, 2021 10:25 PM

Hello all--Just wondered what contributors to this thread think of the new hardcover book "American Flyer Wide Gauge Sets" by Fritz VonTagen and Alan Schuweiler.  I think it's great--160 pages with every wide gauge set illustrated in full color.  Every prewar train collector should have this book.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:16 PM

Unusual late #96 station and a factory error

No matter how closely you read the Greenberg guide there are some items that you just won't find there.  In the years since it was published quite a few variations have come to light.  Earlier this year Mersenne6 pointed out an unusual late #96 station on ebay to me.  At first glance you would think that it is a #104 except for some obvious differences; it has a green roof and it is unlighted.  These are the the two identifying hallmarks of a late #96 station.

I followed up on his lead and won the auction.

A number of weeks ago he pointed out another one of these unusual variations on ebay; and this one had a factory error making it a unique item among an already unusual and not often seen variation.  I won that auction too.

Here are the two stations side by side:

And another photo showing the lithography on the end.

(Mersenne estimates that there are very few of these stations around.  I think he says that he has seen two others besides the two that I have)

The station on the right is the one with the factory error.

With the roofs removed you can see that the one on the right was fed into the punching machine upside down. This means that the tabs that should anchor the walls to the base are now at the roof line waving in the breeze.

Someone had to come up with a way to fix this error and anchor the walls to the base; and I'll bet he had to manufacture the part and install it on an unknown number of these stations too.

Here is a comparison view of the two stations showing how the tabs are anchored to the base.

American Flyer continues to provide some interesting insights into the manufacturing (and sometimes salvaging) of their products.

Thanks for pointing these stations out to me Mersenne6.  Its great to have a group of friends/collectors to collaborate with in this hobby.  BTW Mersenne6 has several excellent articles about identifying stations scattered throughout this thread.

(Edit: Several of Mersenne6's articles on stations are on page 7 of this thread.)

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Posted by AF53 on Saturday, November 13, 2021 11:34 PM

As soon as my addition is done and I have my own space,  yes. Can't wait.  Hopefully we can start soon, waiting for prince of wood to come down.  Meanwhile I might set some up for Christmas.  

Nice pictures and thanks a lot. 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, November 13, 2021 2:20 PM

Hi Ray,

Its good to hear from you.

Here are the 4 pieces of track that American Flyer produced with 4 rails for their whistle.

And here is the curve that has the connection for power to the whistle.

Are you planning to set some up to operate the whistle in a car?

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Posted by AF53 on Saturday, November 13, 2021 11:12 AM

Hello all!

A while back we looked at some 4 rail track from 1936. I  have many pieces and was lucky enough to pick up some more at York last month.  I've never seen the curve piece with the correct connection.  Does anyone have any pictures of this? 

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Posted by palallin on Monday, November 8, 2021 5:03 PM

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Thanks for the kind words palallin.  I am glad that folks like you are still finding vaue in this thread.  I have to admit that I fear the day when this thread will no longer be available. At the moment the number of views counter is whacky.  The last time it was accurate was at about 913,000.

Even in retirement life gets in the way of hobbies.  I will have to get back to work soon on restoring more of the missing photos.  Is there anything in particular that you would like to have reposted. I think I have 50 - 60 pages yet to go.

Here is a brass piper just for you my friend,

 

Beautiful!  Just Beautiful!  Thank you!  Pretty much outa my league these days, but who knows. . . .   Love to see the pics, though!

In a few weeks, I'll besetting up the Christmas Tree, and under it this year, I get to run some SG/WG track (odd years are for Dad; even years for the boys).  The one Flyer train I currently have (rumor has it that ol' St. Nick will be adding to it this year Wink ) will spend a generous share of time on the rails.  I'll be sure to add a pic.

In the meantime, any Flyer WG is welcome.  I have some references (and am getting another soon), but I always want to learn more!

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, November 8, 2021 2:12 PM

Thanks for the kind words palallin.  I am glad that folks like you are still finding vaue in this thread.  I have to admit that I fear the day when this thread will no longer be available. At the moment the number of views counter is whacky.  The last time it was accurate was at about 913,000.

Even in retirement life gets in the way of hobbies.  I will have to get back to work soon on restoring more of the missing photos.  Is there anything in particular that you would like to have reposted. I think I have 50 - 60 pages yet to go.

Here is a brass piper just for you my friend,

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Posted by palallin on Monday, November 8, 2021 8:51 AM
I am profoundly grateful for the restoration effort! I have recently developed a sincere appreciation of Flyer Wide Gauge, and the information in this thread is invaluable! I want to thank everyone who has contributed but especially the folks who are going tot eh trouble to restore the older posts.
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Posted by pennytrains on Sunday, November 7, 2021 6:17 PM

Cool!  Big SmileThumbs Up  And a Lego Hogwarts too!

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Sunday, November 7, 2021 9:26 AM

Over the years I have hosted a display of parts of my collection at the Merrill Historical Society in Merrill Wisconsin. When we moved two years ago I set up a Circus display and thought that I would make occasional trips back to do maintenance and change the display...enter the pandemic.  Last week we finally travelled back to work on the layout and visit friends.  Here are the most recent photos.

Those with sharp eyes will notice that there are only two pieces of American Flyer equipment on the display. Either I will have to make another trip to the museum or change my name.Wink

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:56 AM

Type XXII Sheet Metal Steam Engine

Mersenne6 pointed the engine out to me some time ago on ebay. I recently found the appropriate matching tender.  It is an uncataloged electric steam locomotove from the mid 1930's according to the Greenberg Guide. It is described as a simple 0-4-0 sheetmetal locomotive with stamped steel drivers.

It has PAT. PENDING stamped under the cab windows and an AMERICAN FLYER decal below on the frame.

Thanks for the heads up Mersenne6.  I am still looking for the appropriate cars.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Tuesday, September 7, 2021 12:24 PM

Oppps!

These should have been posted in the Tinplate Heritage thread.  Sorry for the duplication of information.

Here is a photo of very recent production by a cottage industry.  The goal was to produce new tinplate buildings.

 

 

There are a number of lesser known manufacturers that produced accessories for trains over the years.  One of those companies was the Atlas Tool Company.

I recently purchased this station.

It was labeled as an American Flyer station, which it isn't. It is lighted, made of metal and painted with enamel, and it has plastic windows and doors.  It does bare a resemblence to the Flyer station but it is clearly an Atlas Tool Co product when compared to the houses that I have that are made by Atlas.

None of the pieces are marked with an Atlas Tool Co. identifier, but having the original boxes makes their origin clear. Notice where the Atlas Tool Co. was located.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Sunday, August 22, 2021 8:36 AM

Hi Ray,

Its nice to hear from you again.

If you are going to start looking for some of these factory oddities you might want to start with the 4 wheel orange 6 1/2" passenger cars. These are the Paul Revere/Lexington cars.  Apparently these cars appear so frequently that they are documented in the Greenberg Guide. 

There is the Baggage Car

There isn't too much that is odd here except that the baggage doors are two different shades of orange.

Then we have the passenger car with Paul Revere on one side 

and Lexington on the other.

And the observation with Lexington on one side

and Paul Revere on the other.

It didn't take too long to find an entire passenger consist of cars with Lexington on one side

and Paul Revere on the other.

 American Flyer Prewar is always presenting something unique to look for.  As Lou Palumbo of the Underground Railroad says "Keep searchin'"

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Posted by AF53 on Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:13 AM

That's awesome!

 

Now you're going to make me look a lot closer from now on!!!!

Ray

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