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Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, January 24, 2022 11:40 AM

LS&MS (NYC) and Rock Island used Grand Central from 1900 to mid-1903 while the LaSalle Street Station was being rebuilt on the site of an earlier LS&MS/CRI&P station.  Grand Central at the time was owned by Chicago Terminal Transfer, later the Baltimore & Ohio Chicago Terminal.  The "temporary" ramp built for LS&MS and CRI&P remained in use for many years to reach freight houses near Grand Central.

Grand Central also served the B&O, Pere Marquette and CGW during the period.  Former owner Wisconsin Central used IC's Central Station from 1899 on before moving back to Grand Central in 1912. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, January 24, 2022 10:09 AM

I will say that it was Grand Central Station at Wells & Harrison.

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, January 24, 2022 9:44 AM

Close.  The LS&MS tracks were still on the surface at that point (not raised to their present level until after 1907), so another nearby station was accessible without a ramp.  The station was (at that time) owned by a terminal company but was later identified with a trunk line.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, January 24, 2022 7:45 AM

At the time the 20th Century Limited was inaugurated,  in June 1902, the LaSalle Street Station was being thoiroughly rebuilt and was not in operation.  The Central coukld have used a temporary terminal iun the throat area.  I believe this is what the CRI&P did, and perhaps some New  York Central (actually Lake Shore & Michigan Soiuthern) did also,  but to provide better amenities, I believe the Century used the IC's Central Station for the short time untiil La Salle reopened, since the Central's Michigan Central and  Big Four (CCC&StL) were also users.   

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, January 23, 2022 7:21 PM

Back to the 20th Century Limited.  From 1903 to 1968, Chicago's LaSalle St Station (jointly owned with Rock Island) was the western terminus.  From the inaugural run to early 1903, the trains started and ended their uns in a different Chicago station.  Name the station and the reason.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:01 AM

You are correct.  Rcdrye has the next question.

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, January 21, 2022 4:05 PM

Let's see - Both of them...

Operate under trackage rights from state-owned commuter railroads - in both cases the commuter railroads used to operate the freight trains as well.

Have to use gauntlet tracks to get around high-level platforms.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, January 21, 2022 10:10 AM

Next question: What do South Shore Freight and New York & Atlantic have in common besides ownership?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, January 10, 2022 10:13 AM

Backshop

I was not familiar with the LM&I.  I assume it seviced BS's Burns Harbor mill?  I also didn't know that BS ended up buying Lukens Steel and the UM&P.

The other two that I had in mind were South Buffalo and Steelton & Highspire.

You're up!

 
Lake Michigan & Indiana does serve the Burns Harbor plant.  I have seen some of its power in storage east of the mill from US 12.  I will get back later with the next question.
 
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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, January 10, 2022 6:36 AM

PAul (CSSHegewisch) gets first crack.  I just worked off his list to get the others.

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, January 9, 2022 3:41 PM

I was not familiar with the LM&I.  I assume it seviced BS's Burns Harbor mill?  I also didn't know that BS ended up buying Lukens Steel and the UM&P.

The other two that I had in mind were South Buffalo and Steelton & Highspire.

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, January 9, 2022 3:03 PM

The first three are Bethlehem Steel roads.  Add Conemaugh & Black Lick, Lake Michigan & Indiana, and Upper Merion & Plymouth.  There were others besides these.

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, January 9, 2022 1:40 PM

You have three correct.  You have one Inland Steel and two owned by Jones & Laughlin.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Sunday, January 9, 2022 10:14 AM

I'll start with Cambria & Indiana; Patapsco & Back Rivers; Philadelphia, Bethlehem & New England; Aliquippa & Southern; Chicago Short Line and Monongahela Connecting. 

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Posted by Backshop on Saturday, January 8, 2022 6:40 PM

Name six railroads owned by Bethlehem Steel.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, January 8, 2022 3:43 PM

The track remained in place almost up to the river on the American side, to serve Alcoa's Rooseveltown aluminum plant (closed in 2015).  The NYC bridge piers are still visible in the river's north channel.  

CN's mainline was also rerouted in the Cornwall area due to seaway construction, and a short section of the NYC line is still in use as an industrial spur, to access the remaining customers on the old CN/Grand Trunk line.

A section on the south side of Ottawa was also retained to serve an industrial park, while now abandoned this spur also provided rail access to the Canada Science & Technology Museum and the Bytown Rail Society.  

While some sections have been reclaimed as farmland the route from Cornwall to Ottawa is easily followed on Google Earth, and a section between Russell and Embrun/St-Onge is now a paved trail, appropriately named the "New York Central Fitness Trail".

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, January 8, 2022 10:56 AM

Wow1   Never thought of the Central serving Ottawa1

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, January 7, 2022 1:45 PM

Correct!  The Ottawa division was disconnected from the rest of NYCS after 1932 when the line between Tupper Lake and Helena was abandoned. Freights routed via CN/Grand Trunk's Massena branch between Massena and Helena on trackage rights.  Passengers were supposed to use CN/GT trains to connect until those were abandoned in the 1940s.  The Helena-Ottawa trains hung around until 1951.  The line to Ottawa was never major but paid its own way.  The St. Lawrence Seaway project resulted in the loss of the bridge at Cornwall Ontario in 1957.  Short stubs remain in operation today under various owners.

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, January 7, 2022 11:11 AM

NYC--The national capital was Ottawa.  The state capitals were Boston, Albany, Columbus, Lansing, Indianapolis and Charleston.

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, January 7, 2022 6:39 AM

In the states I check my railroad systema against C&O served Richmond, Charleston, Columbus and Frankfort.  One state capital shy.  C&OofI missed Indianapolis.  Technically, after 1948 C&O added Lansing MI when the PM was merged in, but the railroad system I'm looking for was already there before then.  Come to think of it I missed Lansing in my list, so - seven state capitals and a national capital.

If it helps, three of the capitals in C&O's list (including Lansing)  apply to the other railroad as well.

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, January 7, 2022 3:08 AM

The C&O.   Although the Classic Period had three through trains from Newprt News (serving Richmond, VA) and Washington to Cincinnati (Sportsman, Fast Flying Virginian and George Washington) with through Pullmans to Chicago and Dcetroit, also service to Lousville, before Amtrak servoce was reduced to just one  round-trrip.  Columbus, OH, Charleston, West Virginia, Indianoplis, Indiana, poaaibly Frankfor Kentucky (?), and Lansing, Michigan (via PM) were served by the C&O.  Passenger service to Washington, DC, was via trackage via trackage-rights on the Southern from Orange (Gordensville the junction with the line to Newport News), ditto freight service to Potomic Yard,  But CSX uses its own RF&P line.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:59 PM

Both GTW and C&O served other Wisconson ports, but they were switched by local railroads.

This large system served five state capitals and a national capital.  In later days the national capital was served by a single passenger round trip.  Name the system.

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:23 AM

rcdrye

Pere Marquette (C&O) and GTW had trackage in Milwaukee associated with their lake ferries. C&O went back and forth on operating its Milwaukee float yard, sometimes contracting with the Milwaukee Road to handle switching there.

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, January 6, 2022 6:54 AM

Pere Marquette (C&O) and GTW had trackage in Milwaukee associated with their lake ferries. C&O went back and forth on operating its Milwaukee float yard, sometimes contracting with the Milwaukee Road to handle switching there.

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:09 PM

What two railroads that were considered "eastern" had trackage in Wisconsin?

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:53 PM

Backshop is correct.  

CP was still buying new steam locomotives at the time of St Luc's construction, but that of course quickly changed.

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, January 5, 2022 8:33 AM

St Luc, Montreal. 1949.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, January 5, 2022 7:20 AM

John Street Rounhouse, Toronto, 1928-1931?

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 2:58 PM

A softball, when and where did Canadian Pacific build their last new roundhouse?

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