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Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, October 8, 2021 10:11 PM

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I'm unsure if CNJ had any FP-7s, but they certainly did have Baldwin. EMD, and Alco diesels in commuter sevice at the same time.

You left out two kinds of FMs, too.

The Reading ran their FP7s over CNJ, but I don't think there were any 'native' Jersey Central painted examples... they valued runaround bidirectionality.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, October 8, 2021 10:29 PM

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I'm unsure if CNJ had any FP-7s, but they certainly did have Baldwin. EMD, and Alco diesels in commuter sevice at the same time.

You left out two kinds of FMs, too.

The Reading ran their FP7s over CNJ, but I don't think there were any 'native' Jersey Central painted examples... they valued runaround bidirectionality.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t3eqnW5H2ac

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:23 AM

I'll supply the next question.  Erie Lackawanna 5-6, the "Lake Cities", briefly operated by another name in the mid-60's.  What was the name and the basis for the name.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, October 12, 2021 7:58 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
I'll supply the next question.  Erie Lackawanna 5-6, the "Lake Cities", briefly operated by another name in the mid-60's.  What was the name and the basis for the name.

You asked this already, about the World's Fair.  Ask another one.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 10:08 AM

I'll pass.  It's getting harder to come up with questions that most people have a reasonable shot at answering.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:09 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
It's getting harder to come up with questions that most people have a reasonable shot at answering.

I can't find many that are any fun, either.  I miss Mike MacDonald.

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, October 15, 2021 9:15 AM

I did not understand that i answered correctly.  If I did, I can come up with a  queation.

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, October 15, 2021 12:16 PM

Have at it. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:53 AM

Manhattan Transfer was the engine-change location for PRR trains to and from Penn. Sta., NYC.  When the 11000V 25Hz AC electrification was extended from Trenton to Sunnyside Yard, where was the engine change point for:

Trains to Pittsburgh, Chicago, Cincinnati, and St. Louis?

Trains to Washington, DC and south?

Trains to Atlantic City?  (The Nellie Bly)?

Trains to Cape Charles?

Trains to Bay Head Junction?

Of couse, trains to Philadelphia were electric all the way and ran to the old Broad Street Station.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, October 18, 2021 8:37 AM

Hints:  Two of the above PRR services shared the same engine-change point.  Thus, only four such locations, not five.

Two of the locations survived into the full electrification era.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, October 18, 2021 1:39 PM

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When the 11000V 25Hz AC electrification was extended from Trenton to Sunnyside Yard...

To put this in perspective, the route was fully electrified from New York to Wilmington at this point, but not to Washington.  That would have been an additional  engine-change point of interest here...

...where was the engine change point for:

Trains to Pittsburgh, Chicago, Cincinnati, and St. Louis?

These would have diverged at North Philadelphia  and presumably gotten the engine change near Paoli.  For some reason I remember the actual engine service facilities for steam being some distance from the actual change point.

Trains to Washington, DC and south?

Not until Wilmington.

Trains to Atlantic City?  (The Nellie Bly)?This might depend upon coming from where.  From Philadelphia I think they were steam the whole way, over the Delair Bridge.  From New York I think they may have gone via Jamesburg although I don't know when the piece of the 'secondary' between South Amboy and Monmouth Junction was electrified.  

Trains to Cape Charles?

Probably same as Washington trains at that point, as the Del-Mar-Va trains diverged at Wilmington.

Trains to Bay Head Junction?

South Amboy

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, October 19, 2021 3:00 AM

Overmod, I'll give you the  credit.  Wilmington is correct for both Washington and St. Chasrles and was permanent for St. Charles trains.  South Amboy did come a short tinme later, with trains for the New York and Long Branch getting steam at Newark or Rahway for a short time.

Paoli was the change point for trains to the west.

Your question

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, October 19, 2021 4:57 PM

Can you post pictures of the engine-change facilities at Newark and Rahway for that short time?  I'd expect that even Depression-era PRR freight traffic would require extensive numbers of locomotives before the electrification was complete.

And I had a detailed account of how engine change in Paoli was conducted - was it in one of Bill Volkmer's books, or Churella's - but can't find it now.  It was interesting reading about something relatively nonobvious but of critical practical importance, like the 'relief arrangements' on Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis...

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, October 21, 2021 7:35 AM

Because of the short period involved, steam power required at Newark or Rahway ran light from (and to)  Jersey City or South Amboy, whivch were facilities in-use both before and after electrification.

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