Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

[ZephyrOverland]

 Gulf, Mobile and Northern?

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

ZephyrOverland

 Gulf, Mobile and Northern?

No

[ZephyrOverland]

 How about the Akron, Canton and Youngstown Railway?

[Great Western]

 A reference source, which I have here, mentions Aberdeen and Rockfish as the Route of Personal Service. 

 

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Still no hits.

[AWP290]

Tennessee Central

[wanswheel]

http://northshoreline.com/logos.jpg

 

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

The North Shore Line was "The Road Of Service" beginning with the Insull era.  Wanswheel, enjoy a Bacardi and Coke and you get to ask the next question.

[wanswheel]

Franklin D. Roosevelt traveled to Warm Springs, Georgia more than forty times from 1924 to 1945. What railroad was he likely to have taken to the depot there?

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McTyre&CISOPTR=51&CISOBOX=1&REC=14

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McTyre&CISOPTR=53&CISOBOX=1&REC=1

Mike

[AWP290]

FDR rode the Southern almost exclusively to Warm Springs, GA.  I believe that once or twice, coming from somewhere other than Washington, he came in to neighboring Manchester, GA (four miles away), but Warm Springs was a local station on the Southern.

 

Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA

 

[wanswheel]

Bob, yes Southern Railway. Welcome to the forum and it's your turn to ask the next question.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=2c669202f0906071&q=franklin%20d%20roosevelt%20train%20source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfranklin%2Bd%2Broosevelt%2Btrain%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=c579472747b444dc&q=franklin%20d%20roosevelt%20warm%20springs%20source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfranklin%2Bd%2Broosevelt%2Bwarm%2Bsprings%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=24a886c0b56a964f&q=franklin%20d%20roosevelt%20warm%20springs%20source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfranklin%2Bd%2Broosevelt%2Bwarm%2Bsprings%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20

[AWP290]

Thanks for the welcome.

Okay - here goes.  There was but one city in the entire state of South Carolina served by as many as five railroads.  What city was it, and for additional credit, what were the roads?

Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA

[Deggesty]

wanswheel

Bob, yes Southern Railway

Mike, seeing the picture of one of the engines used on FDR's funeral train reminded me of the Ps4 (also one of those used to carry the funeral train to Washington) in the Smithsonian. It's thirty-five years since I saw the engine, so I do not know what changes have been made in its display since. Back then, it was possible to hear the recording of the arrival and departure of a passenger train when you stood by the engine. The recording was made several years after the engine was put on display--but the whistle heard in the recording was that of the engine. When the 4501 was in the Washington area a few years after the engine was moved in, the whistle was moved to the 4501 for recording.

Johnny

[wanswheel]

Greenwood?  On the 1948 map I see Southern, Seaboard, Charleston & Western Carolina (ACL), Georgia & Florida, Piedmont & Northern.

If there's any interest, more pictures of FDR's last ride from Warm Springs to Washington:

http://dlg.galileo.usg.edu/vanga/photos/mer/jpg/mer043.jpg

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=695&CISOBOX=1&REC=1

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=700&CISOBOX=1&REC=19

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=697&CISOBOX=1&REC=18

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=699&CISOBOX=1&REC=2

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McTyre&CISOPTR=49&CISOBOX=1&REC=17

http://pro.corbis.com/images/U1015631INP.jpg?size=67&uid={c0581760-265c-438e-9d44-9288f307e5a3}

http://pro.corbis.com/images/NA002210.jpg?size=67&uid={7285bc02-4e4d-4f71-8896-6eda9467d946}

Mike

[AWP290]

Greenwood is what I had in mind, but I've also been informed, off list, that Columbia, in the 1890's, was also servid by five roads.  I wasn't going back that far.

 

Take it away, Mike!

 

Bob

[Deggesty]

wanswheel

If there's any interest, more pictures of FDR's last ride from Warm Springs to Washington:

http://dlg.galileo.usg.edu/vanga/photos/mer/jpg/mer043.jpg

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=695&CISOBOX=1&REC=1

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=700&CISOBOX=1&REC=19

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=697&CISOBOX=1&REC=18

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Rogers&CISOPTR=699&CISOBOX=1&REC=2

http://collections.atlantahistorycenter.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McTyre&CISOPTR=49&CISOBOX=1&REC=17

Yes, Mike, these are of interest to me. I do not remember much about FDR's death, but I do remember the event.

I wonder how many of us who looked at these pictures noticed that the Southern did not use a heavy Pacific to move the train from Warm Springs to Atlanta--I don't believe that the track was built  to support such a heavy locomotive. The Southern never did have much traffic on its line to Columbus.

Johnny

 

[AWP290]

When FDR went to Columbus, the Ps-4's were taken off in Atlanta and Ps-2's finished the trip into Warm Springs.  I don't believe the old GM&G line would have supported the weight of the Ps-4's.

 

Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA

[wanswheel]

What English locomotive was at the 1939 New York World's Fair?

http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1679965&t=w    FDR

http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1679983&t=w    Fiorello LaGuardia

http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1677173&t=w

http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1677161&t=w

http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1677169&t=w

http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1677175&t=w    

Mike

[Great Western]

 Although the London Midland & Scottish Railway was not No.1 on my list of the big four pre-nationalization railroads  (that honour goes to The Great Western Railway ) that was the railway that sent 6229 Duchess Of Hamilton to the Fair.  The loco changed identities with 6220 Coronation for the event.  6220 was the first of the class and was therefore the name given to the class as a whole.

 She currently resides at  Britain's National Railway Museum I understand.

Sister loco 6233 Duchess of Sutherland (another Scottish name) was recently in my area running an excursion of my Heritage line.  As she is slightly longer than the largest GWR passenger loco, a King Class loco, we had to made extensions to the turntable so she could be turned.

[wanswheel]

Great Western, yes the D of H. Your turn.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=185154

[Great Western]

 Thank you.

Gosh that comparison photo does emphasize how small the UK loading gauge/clearance is compared to that in America.  Of course we had to fit into existing places -few wide open spaces compared to the States -  although I did note a recent reference to the American Eastern railroads having less clearance that those built in the former Territories.

However, one of my pastimes, when rain stops me running trains in my back yard, is to follow railroad lines on Google Earth.

I was recently looking at the Great Salt Lake in UT and observing the line (former SP I believe) from Ogden UT across the Bonneville Flats to NM.  

My questions, all linked, are :

What salts/minerals are extracted in the Salt Lake area, particularly from the evaporation processes, and how were they shipped - hopper, gondolas  

 I know something about coal, after all isn't the UTAH Railway known as the Coal Route.  

Any time era is acceptable but as I was unable to find much info on a search I suspect any traffic now is, in the main, by road.  (Hopefully I will be proven wrong  )

 

[Great Western]

 It seems rather like I asked questions that were difficult or have no answer.

So, I suggest that some one else ask another question to save the thread going cold.  

[Deggesty]

Great Western

So, I suggest that some one else ask another question to save the thread going cold.  

A quick one: what animals were featured on the wall of the bar in the North Shore's Electroliner?

Johnny

[wanswheel]

Well it's difficult enough. Salt, magnesium chloride, potash (potassium chloride) and sulfate of potash are extracted from Great Salt Lake brine. The largest company with solar evaporation ponds is Great Salt Lake Minerals. I don't know what their shipping arrangements are but they have an underwater canal called the Behren's trench. 

http://www.gslfuture.com/gsl_history.html

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/article_d8677831-7318-5591-8426-124059e5165b.html

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=276372

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=140683#

http://ut.water.usgs.gov/greatsaltlake/images/gslmapvicinitylarge.jpg

Mike

[wanswheel]

Elephants, giraffes and monkeys?

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cnsm801.jpg

[Deggesty]

wanswheel

Elephants, giraffes and monkeys?

Mike, I was thinking of one particular animal that is associated with repeated visits to the bar.

Johnny

[passengerfan]

Johnny

Pink Elephant?

I remember riding the Electroliners for the last year they were in service on the North Shore and ate many a burger on them but could not remember those animals.

Al - in - Stockton 

[Deggesty]

passengerfan

Johnny

Pink Elephant?

I remember riding the Electroliners for the last year they were in service on the North Shore and ate many a burger on them but could not remember those animals.

Al - in - Stockton 

Yes, pink elephants were what I had in mind. I, of course, never saw an Electroliner, much less was inside one, so I was glad to see the pictures Wanswheel posted. I have the memory of an article in Trains many years ago which had the comment that there were pink elephants on the wall--and this struck me as being an appropriate decoration.

Now, I was not as specific with my question as I perhaps should have been, so I suggest that you and Mike duke it out to see which one asks the next question.

Johnny

[daveklepper]

Not to claim the right to ask a question, but kangaroo was also represented.

Boy I wish those trains were still running today.   I ride from Chicago to Milwaukee in one, especially seated in the front seat opposite the engineers small subway-type cab, was sheer paradise.

But I loved the conventional trains as well, especially when a friendly engineer allowed one to stand on the front platform.

[wanswheel]

Al has the next question on the other thread so I'll ask a question on this thread.  Around 1952 the Budd Company built 64 cars to make 4 trainsets for 3 trains. The tavern lounge bar front on at least one of the trains was designed to resemble a Revolutionary War drum featuring a rattlesnake, similar to the Culpeper flag.  What railroad and what trains?

Mike