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Amtrak Plans?
Posted by CMStPnP on Friday, December 3, 2021 9:44 AM

Maybe I am being impatient but I am curious has anyone seen any movement on ANY Amtrak future plans since the infrastruture bill was passed.    Beyond the Amtrak teaser press releases of what they plan to do several years out.    I have not seen any movement on past initiatives that should have been ready to move ahead with proper capital funding.     For example the extension of the Heartland Flyer to connect with the Southwest Chief.......nothing new announced.     They did an inspection train, several studies, they should have been close to execution on it.   I am sure there are a few other projects like that across the country.    Something should be moving forwards at this point?    Shouldn't it?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, December 3, 2021 10:20 PM

I would guess any studies they did previously would have been preliminary.  Now with a funding source identified, they might do a formal study needed to establish service.  I believe they need some level of an environmental assesment with a review by FRA.

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Posted by Enzoamps on Sunday, December 5, 2021 2:58 PM

My goodness, they only signed the thing, what, three weeks ago?  Give them a moment.

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Posted by NKP guy on Monday, December 20, 2021 8:30 AM
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Posted by Overmod on Monday, December 20, 2021 10:17 AM

I am reading stories that indicate Amtrak won't start spending on most things until 2023.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:36 AM

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I am reading stories that indicate Amtrak won't start spending on most things until 2023.

You know from all the PR they have been doing locally on the Heartland Flyer extension.................I would have thought that was shovel ready.    They ran a test train, they did a set of theoretical schedules, estimates, etc.      They have the tacit approval of Kansas and Oklahoma, nothing yet from Texas but Texas would not be hard to convince since majority of increased costs would be Kansas and Oklahoma.

Also, think they should layover in Dallas vs Fort Worth using the TRE route and have Dallas as the origination point.     Only reason they aren't is the Commissary is in Fort Worth and the storage tracks in Fort Worth are maybe a thousand feet down the track from the Intermodal Depot.    The storage tracks in Dallas would be a little further unless they could convince TRE to share one of their Dallas Union station tracks.    So having the terminus be Dallas would be more costly but offset by potentially the convience and increased ridership......I wonder.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 11:57 AM

Amtrak planning to serve Burlington by this July?  Hopefully all the small punch list items  will get finished in time.

All aboard! Amtrak is Burlington-bound this July, officials say - VTDigger

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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 5:41 PM

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Amtrak planning to serve Burlington by this July?  Hopefully all the small punch list items  will get finished in time.

All aboard! Amtrak is Burlington-bound this July, officials say - VTDigger

 
I think they are trying to eventually extend that train to Montreal if I am not mistaken.    I believe parts of the route were the former Montrealer train Amtrak used to run and something went South with the track usage or track maintenence.
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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 7:21 PM

CMStPnP

 

 
blue streak 1

Amtrak planning to serve Burlington by this July?  Hopefully all the small punch list items  will get finished in time.

All aboard! Amtrak is Burlington-bound this July, officials say - VTDigger

 

 

 
I think they are trying to eventually extend that train to Montreal if I am not mistaken.    I believe parts of the route were the former Montrealer train Amtrak used to run and something went South with the track usage or track maintenence.
 

The extension to Burlington is an extension of the Ethan Allen which runs on Vermont Rail System (ex-Rutland).  The ATK train that ends in St. Albans, Vermont, and used to run thru to Montreal, runs on the ex-Vermont Central.  That train stops at Essex Junction about 10 miles from Burlington.  There is a connecting branch between Essex JC and Burlington.

Also, I wonder how the Burlington train will opperate thru Rutland, which is about 2 miles off the new thru route.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:39 PM

That poor pedestrian, he keeps getting by a train every three hours. Can't be much left of him.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, March 31, 2022 1:30 PM

Amtrak may need to provide much service to smaller cities.  The ensuing pilot shortage is going to cause loss of all airline service.  The next 10 years is going to have a lot of pilots into forced retirements at age 65.

Air Transport World - April 2022 - page 24 (atw-digital.com)

 

 Air Transport World - April 2022 - page Cover (atw-digital.com)

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Posted by CMStPnP on Thursday, March 31, 2022 2:20 PM

I just googled today and read an article in a competing publication that Amtrak forecasts no real movement on improvements or new trains until late 2023.    So we have more than a year of waiting and hopefully the $20 billion to Amtrak is not repurposed or clawed back by a new Congress.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, April 3, 2022 11:32 AM

Takes time to order and build new equipmeent.   Not surprised by the time frame, just wish Antrak would use what is on-hand more efficiently.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, April 3, 2022 8:52 PM

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Takes time to order and build new equipmeent.   Not surprised by the time frame, just wish Antrak would use what is on-hand more efficiently.

Or at least maintain a reserve fleet instead of being so hasty to scrap or sell it off.   It's not like they are paying for track space charges at Beech Grove.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, April 3, 2022 10:30 PM

CMStPnP
 
Or at least maintain a reserve fleet instead of being so hasty to scrap or sell it off.   It's not like they are paying for track space charges at Beech Grove.
 

 
Plus there is enough land there where more tracks could be built with used ties and rail from the NEC.
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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 3, 2022 10:34 PM

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daveklepper
Takes time to order and build new equipmeent.   Not surprised by the time frame, just wish Antrak would use what is on-hand more efficiently. 

Or at least maintain a reserve fleet instead of being so hasty to scrap or sell it off.   It's not like they are paying for track space charges at Beech Grove.

To repair, rebuild damaged equipment you need skilled manpower with the necessary shop tools and equipment to do the job.  Amtrak's starvation budgets of the past half century have caused the destruction of what Beech Grove once was for the Big4.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, April 4, 2022 5:41 AM

More lack of skilled technicians.  Tools?  They still have Wilmington and possibly Juniata, as well as Beech Grove.

Also, did not Beech Grove eventually serve all the New York Central System and, subsequently, PC?

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, April 4, 2022 8:18 AM

daveklepper
More lack of skilled technicians.  Tools?  They still have Wilmington and possibly Juniata, as well as Beech Grove.

Also, did not Beech Grove eventually serve all the New York Central System and, susequently, PC?

NYC & PC were both having financial issues.  In the railroad industry, when you have financial issues the first things that pay the price is anything associated with maintenance - maintenance of track, maintenance of equipmet, maintenance of anything.  Beech Grove is a product of financially failing organizations beyond its Big4 heritage.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 1:54 PM

Out-of-service rails in US and Canada

It was supposed to show a map, but apparently not allowed.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:39 AM

Finally, Page 70 and Page 93:

file:///C:/Users/19728/Downloads/Amtrak-General-Legislative-Annual-Report-FY2023-Grant-Request%20(1).pdf

Oh crap, well I guess you'll have to wait for Amtrak to upload it to it's website.

 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 7:44 PM

Overmod

I am reading stories that indicate Amtrak won't start spending on most things until 2023.

A competing publication to Trains (which I cannot link to) published Amtraks 2023 funding request to Congress, it is for $3.3 Billion.    I believe a chunk is for another batch of replacement LD cars (I think they expect to match that with another grant from another program as it seems low to me or else it is the start of a multi-year request).     Additionally, they have all their wish list of expansion trains including (a suprise to me), extension of Hiawatha to Madison, WI. (listed under potential expansion).

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 7:45 PM
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 11:40 PM

It comes down to Amtrak management quit worrying about Amtrak management and concentrate on passengers riding the trains now and the potential passengers who cannot get on a train due lack of equipment and operating personnel.

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Posted by Fred M Cain on Monday, July 18, 2022 11:56 AM

CMStPnP

Maybe I am being impatient but I am curious has anyone seen any movement on ANY Amtrak future plans since the infrastruture bill was passed.    Beyond the Amtrak teaser press releases of what they plan to do several years out.    I have not seen any movement on past initiatives that should have been ready to move ahead with proper capital funding.     For example the extension of the Heartland Flyer to connect with the Southwest Chief.......nothing new announced.     They did an inspection train, several studies, they should have been close to execution on it.   I am sure there are a few other projects like that across the country.    Something should be moving forwards at this point?    Shouldn't it?

 

 
I don't believe that your impatience is unwarranted.  Joe Biden and the Democratic Congress has given Amtrak a huge amount of money - far more than they have ever received before.
 
So, what the HECK are they doing with our money? Is it just drawing interest in an account somewhere or what?   Where is the order for new Superliners which, had they had the money, should've been ordered at least five years ago if not ten.
 
I am getting really discouraged with Amtrak management.  In the past, there were years where they had good managers like Graham Claytor Jr. but no funding.  Now they have money, but what about management?
 
Some long distance trains are down to two coaches and just one or two sleepers simply for lack of equipment.  If you don't have the equipment, how are you supposed to grow the business?
 
As an old presidential candidate once was supposed to have quipped, "Where's the Beef"?
 
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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, July 18, 2022 12:02 PM

Maybe their plans don't include much money for the LD services?

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Posted by Fred M Cain on Monday, July 18, 2022 12:03 PM

CMStPnP

I just googled today and read an article in a competing publication that Amtrak forecasts no real movement on improvements or new trains until late 2023.    So we have more than a year of waiting and hopefully the $20 billion to Amtrak is not repurposed or clawed back by a new Congress.

 
Milwaukee Road,
 
Having the money clawed back by Congress is a very real possibility.  Some political pundits are forecasting a congressional landslide for the Republicans in November.  They might just wind up with a veto-proof majority then they can pretty well call all the shots.
 
One can only hope that there are enough Republicans that want to see more Amtrak service and that keeping Amtrak on track might turn out to be somewhat of a bipartisan issue.
 
But the way management is running this outfit, well, yeah, it looks discouraging
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Posted by Fred M Cain on Monday, July 18, 2022 12:07 PM

charlie hebdo

Maybe their plans don't include much money for the LD services?

 

 
Well, yeah, that's a good point.  But like a lot of people, including NARP have stated all along, the American tax payers are not likely to continue supporting an endeavor with their tax dollars that's not national in scope.
 
I'm not even sure that I do.
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Posted by Gramp on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:10 PM

I hold little hope for Amtrak.  Forever a political football. Example... let's dig in to battle about three routes toward Montreal. While major US cities go without service. 
My interest is now dominated by Briteline. 

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Posted by Sunnyland on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 3:34 PM

I just returned for a trip on Amtrak CZ from Chi to Sacramento and train was packed, they had to rotate in lounge car so everybody got a chance to sit there, on the eastbound trip, they had 2 lounge cars so that helped.   And the second River Runner has been restored in MO, which is good news  for us.  Hard to figure out what is going on with them, as somebody commented they got more money from Biden than they have in years. They are upgrading coaches and engines with the Chargers from Siemens, but they have some kinks  to work out.  Think outside  the box , there is more than NEC, and Amtrak was set up to be a nationwide network.  I have heard NEC means nothing else counts and sometimes it seems like it.  I hope Amtrak can keep running as I want to keep riding trains.

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