I would never think of going to a printed timetable for schedule information. Some bus lines still print timetables but they are outdated almost a soon as they are printed. Plus, going online may give you information that you wouldn't get from a printed timetable ie, "on the dates specified the Crescent is bustituted from Atlanta to New Orleans". So, the roomette trip you planned with meals in the diner is now no longer and replaced by a bus seat and a stop at a local McD.'s. FWIW, I have never had a problem pulling up individual timetables and printing them off. I don't know what the problem is with railfans.
JPS1 CSSHEGEWISCH The airlines discontinued printed timetables (such as they were) quite a few years ago. Outside of urban and suburban transit services, printed timetables are a thing of the past. According to the Pew Research Center, approximately 85% of American households have a smart phone. That leaves a relatively small percentage of the population that needs or wants printed schedules
CSSHEGEWISCH The airlines discontinued printed timetables (such as they were) quite a few years ago. Outside of urban and suburban transit services, printed timetables are a thing of the past.
According to the Pew Research Center, approximately 85% of American households have a smart phone. That leaves a relatively small percentage of the population that needs or wants printed schedules
From observations, while 85% may have a smart phone, a large number of the phones are smarter than those attempting to use them.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
JPS1: Your suggestion works for the Lake Shore and some other trains, but not for the Vermonter, apparently for the reason mentioned by charlie hebdo.
So we're both right, if you like.
No wonder I found this frustrating.
Something I recall Amtrak's misdesigned IxD doing the last time I looked at it was being 'trip-centric' -- it assumed you wanted to go 'somewhere' from 'where you were' and gave you only the UI to put that in for their computers. There was no ordered list of stops in order on a route - just a list of Amtrak cities you could go.
Now of course if your corporate concern is 'transportation' of passengers this is OK. It would be easier for most non-railfans to use to get 'transportation' accomplished. But by the same token, putting up a page with system and corridor maps, and a timetable showing all the stops in order with times for those who care to peruse the overall information that way, represents very little cost to produce, to keep updated, to host, or to serve... even at a kiosk intended to facilitate purchase of transportation.
Whennthe paper system timetable was 'deprecated' one of the arguments was that anyone who wanted a printed reference could run one off on a suitable printer -- B&W, color, or photo resolution, on paper of choice -- and that was the meat of the Amtrak production saving. Now the argument goes into not bothering with the systemwide resources at all.
Frankly, considering the percentage of wasted non-transportation expense Amtrak shows in recent years, the cost to desktop-publish a system timetable on the Web is trivial, and keeping it updated and any special information or offers current scarcely more. Canning one lawyer's assistant's paralegal intern would probably do for the entire budget...
There is no schedule for the Vermonter simply because until further notice, it does not run north of New York, according to the redirect page.
This is what I get for the Lake Shore Limited when I follow the steps outlined above:
https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/public/documents/temporary-timetables/Lake-Shore-Limited-Schedule-101220.pdf
With all respect, I have done exactly as you outline.
Now you try it...and tell me what results you get.
NKP guy JPS1: It would have been even more helpful if you had provided a link to where these can be found. (pardon my hyperbole)
I assumed that you have used Amtrak.com. Schedules is the fourth tab from the left at the top of the page. Click on it. Then click on Get downloadable schedules for all routes. Then click on a long-distance route, i.e., Lake Shore Limited, Texas Eagle, etc.
The only state supported train schedule that appears to be online is the Pacific Surfliner.
The airlines discontinued printed timetables (such as they were) quite a few years ago. Outside of urban and suburban transit services, printed timetables are a thing of the past.
I agree with all three of you.
ghCBNS: Timetables are a railfan thing, but one may be closer to the truth to say that anything on paper, as opposed to the Web is as out of date as brown furniture on Antiques Road Show. In my post I meant that I'd like to see a timetable for each train because I'd like to see all intermediate points the train calls at, as well as what time...at a glance. With the Amtrak station-to-station set up on the website I have to know beforehand what station I want to go to, and each time enter all the information. That's a big drag.
JPS1: It would have been even more helpful if you had provided a link to where these can be found. My earlier point is that this timetable should be readily available on the website, and it isn't. Is it good business practice to make people have to go to Google to find out what other stations the Vermonter calls at, or what might be a better station for my purposes?
BaltACD: As usual, you're spot on.
I know it's a digital world, of course, but Amtrak's website could be better and more helpful.
As the guy in Ravenna, O. said, "That's a hell of a way to run a railroad."
(pardon my hyperbole)
It is all a part of Amtrak's attempt to discourage use of their services.
Schedules for the long-distance trains, including the Lake Shore Limited, can be viewed online and downloaded if desired.
The majority of travellers know the date and time they are travelling to a destination. They enter this on the web page and get the results. They do not need a timetable. Even in this day of tri-weekly trains if the train is not running on the preferred date....the next available date will be given.
Timetables are a 'railfan thing' for their collections and for those planning out the most stops and convoluted route to reach a destination. They're just no longer needed by the general public and most don't even know what they are. I spoke with a ticket agent one time and he said when the the new ones came out and once the railfans had picked the latest for their collection....there was usually little demand for one after that!
Ok. So once again I go to the site and look for and click on the schedule for the Vermonter. But a page about service adjustments due to Covid comes up and there is no obvious way to get to the desired schedule.
Try it. Or am I meshugana on this?
You can find a timetable for an entire route, usually by train name. But generally the Amtrak website is much less useful and easy than the sites for German or Italian rail.
Amtrak's last printed system timetable dates from January, 2016 and I find it far more helpful in planning an autumn trip to Vermont than the current Amtrak website.
Over the years I have found Amtrak's website to be very difficult to use and not at all friendly. If there is a way to see a timetable for each route I have yet to find it; if I want to change dates, I have to start all over again, etc.
I can't help but think of the ease with which I was able to navigate the websites of the passenger rail services for the UK, France, Germany and Poland. I'll wager many foreign tourists are put off of using Amtrak because it's so frustrating and time consuming to use their website.
Again, I'm glad I saved my printed schedules.
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