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Posted by 54light15 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:15 PM

We have Chinese buffet restaurants called "Mandarin." I worked for a company that had its Christmas party at a Mandarin. My boss got a little ticked at me because I wasn't making a pig of myself. So, I got up and got a clean plate and put one stringbean on it and sat back down. No, he was not pleased with me. Glad I left that stupid job. 

I didn't see Horn & Hardart on the list. We used to go to the automat when my parents took us kids to the city. They never had anything I wanted to eat. My father bought me a bowl of franks and beans. Nasty and no wonder they call it rat turds and dog turds. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:00 PM

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It may be that the many buffet chains will need to become in some way a cafeteria chain due to covid-19 restrictions on buffets ?  

 

Buffets were pretty disgusting before COVID.  People are nasty. 

 

You're not kidding!  There's a buffet restaurant in our area, the food was always very good, always freshly stocked and refilled, and very resonably priced, all you could eat in fact, and the buffet areas always spotless, but some of the clientele!  Good Lord!

The wife and I don't consider ourselves snobs by any means, but it got to the point we started calling the place "The Freak Show" before we gave up going entirely.  

No, I won't say who it is (they're still there), that doesn't matter.  We still miss going though.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:09 PM

blue streak 1
It may be that the many buffet chains will need to become in some way a cafeteria chain due to covid-19 restrictions on buffets ?  

Buffets were pretty disgusting before COVID.  People are nasty. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:07 PM

Another item of lost chains were the many cafeteria chains.  S & W is one I remember.   It may be that the many buffet chains will need to become in some way a cafeteria chain due to covid-19 restrictions on buffets ?  

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:54 AM

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I didn't see Polk's on the list either, but I guess they slipped through the cracks, either that or the lister was more interested in chains than independents.

I only went to Polk's two, maybe three times.  Wow!  Those were special trips, Hiway Hobby in Ramsey NJ was closer and more convenient.  

I didn't see Radio Shack either.  Anyone know if they're still around?  The've disappeared from this area and I thought they were defunct nationwide.

Radio Shack was among those listed - also Layfayette and Allied.

While, to my knowledge, it was only a single location - All Nation Hobby Shop in Chicago was my favorite haunt - back in the day.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:53 AM

Yes, there were several companies that were familiar to me. Among them is Liggett's; when I would go up to Charlotte to see my orthodontist, I would eat lunch in the one at the corner of Trade and Tryon--and I jerked soda in the one in downtown Baton Rouge the summer before my last year in high school (yes, I was a jerk).

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:19 AM

I didn't see Polk's on the list either, but I guess they slipped through the cracks, either that or the lister was more interested in chains than independents.

I only went to Polk's two, maybe three times.  Wow!  Those were special trips, Hiway Hobby in Ramsey NJ was closer and more convenient.  

I didn't see Radio Shack either.  Anyone know if they're still around?  The've disappeared from this area and I thought they were defunct nationwide.

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Posted by 54light15 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:19 AM

That list of defunct stores was fascinating but I didn't see Polk's Hobbies in NYC at Fifth avenue and 32nd street. I used to go there whenever I was in the city. In The Godfather the scene of Tom Hagen being nabbed by Virgil Sollozo was filmed in front of Polk's.

Other defunct hobby shops were Madison Hardware (on Madison avenue, naturally) that specialised in Lionel trains and America's Hobby Center on (as I recall West 22nd street at Seventh avenue) where there were no shelves full of stuff to look at but you had to look at catalogs on the counter and the guy would bring it out to you. They had everything there, trains, planes, you name it. 

Also, here in Canada we still have Rexall Drugs and Esso (not Exxon) stations. 

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:03 AM

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Amazing the number of the defunct entities I remember having dealt with over the years.

I worked for a good long while for a mall developer.  it's amazing ~who owns who~ in the retail sector.  Of course when you are a landlord looking to fill vacant space in your mall, you are always looking for new players to add  into the mix of tenants you have.

An ambition that often runs contrary to store chains consolidating with competitors to cut costs, or to  manipulate their markets.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:42 PM

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Enjoy this trip down memory lane: List of defunct retailers

Note the section headed "Department and Discount Stores"  is deeply nested,  with store origins and eventual amalgamation with surviving entities pretty well documented. Well worth a look.

Amazing the number of the defunct entities I remember having dealt with over the years.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:41 PM

54light15

I remember Monkey Ward. And how long ago did Gimbel's go out of business? 

 

Back in the late 80's, they were bought out by a conglomerate.  It's a complicated story, easy to find if you Google it.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:39 PM

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Department stores were already starting to lose market shares in the 70s.  

 

Maybe in your part of the country Charlie, but not in mine.  I remember the 70's, mall culture and department store culture was still going strong in Northern New Jersey and the Greater New York Area, and was still going strong when we moved to Virginia in 1987.   It's still strong now, but I'll be the first to admit it's the exception that doesn't prove the rule.  

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Posted by Convicted One on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:23 PM

Enjoy this trip down memory lane: List of defunct retailers

Note the section headed "Department and Discount Stores"  is deeply nested,  with store origins and eventual amalgamation with surviving entities pretty well documented. Well worth a look.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:37 PM

I'm guessing early 80s.  Or it was taken over and lost its name,  like my beloved Marshall Fields.

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Posted by 54light15 on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:11 PM

I remember Monkey Ward. And how long ago did Gimbel's go out of business? 

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:03 PM

Montgomery Ward started mail order. 

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Posted by Gramp on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:41 PM

I just think it's ironic that Sears has ended up falling to what is really modern day mail order shopping. They forgot what they pioneered. 

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:34 PM

Department stores were already starting to lose market shares in the 70s.  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:51 PM

Electroliner 1935
Have you ever shopped at a Trader Joe's

I haven't, but I do patronise some local establishments staffed with folks more than willing to drop what they're doing and assist you.  Those places "get it," which is why they get me!  

J.C. Penney, Sears, Macys, they were on the downhill slide long before coronavirus showed up.  

It boggles the mind how colossi like the above could get run into the ground.  Hey, look at how Hostess got screwed up!  

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:12 PM

The first shoe drops in the work from home battle as the CEO of Twitter, Jack Dorsey, just announced all employees can work from home in perpetuity, even after the office opens back up in September.  

I know Twitter is one of those newer social media companies, but the work at home lifestyle is perfect for technology companies that don't need offices as they have no manufacturing facilities, and even programming can be done remotely.  

Also, they really aren't the first, I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this but when you call JetBlue's customer service lines you are actually talking to someone at their home.  At one time all customer service agents for JetBlue worked from their homes, not sure if that is still the case and they've found that the best customer service agents are those that do work from home.

Customer service is another job that can be done from home easily, heck, that could bring customer service jobs back to the U.S. from India, if companies did it correctly.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Monday, May 11, 2020 10:36 PM

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 GERALD L MCFARLANE JR
First off, never went to an "MBA Mill" 

Whoa!  Don't misunderstand Gerald, I'm not throwing rocks at you, I'm agreeing with you!   What I was trying to say was much of the damage done to retail has been done by the concept of the "interchangeable executive" fostered by the "MBA Mills," that is an executive can be switched willy-nilly around various businesses and run them sucessfully without a grounding in that business.  I think you and I know it ain't necessarily so!  

Removing all those "first-contact" personnel who meet and greet the buying public and make shopping a personal and fun experience is and was a major mistake.  They were part of the art, you know.

And I wouldn't get rid of the bean counters, I'd just tell them to stay in the back offices and count the beans, and mind their own business otherwise. THAT'S what their paid for!

Have you ever shopped at a Trader Joe's. Good helpful and plentiful persomel. I like shopping there. However, the days of retail clothing stores look limited. Some news feeds are saying J.C.Penney is about to file for bankruptcy, Sears is 90% dead, Macy's closing stores. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:27 PM

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Hot crackers, I take exception to that!

Can you imagine if President Trump used the word  'plantation'  as a metaphor for the workplace?

CNN would simply explode. 

 

 

Imagine what Fox would have done if Obama had used that analogy........

 

In all fairness to both men, it's not what they say, it's how the context of what they say gets dropped or tortured, depending on who's ax needs to be ground.  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:24 PM

GERALD L MCFARLANE JR
First off, never went to an "MBA Mill"

Whoa!  Don't misunderstand Gerald, I'm not throwing rocks at you, I'm agreeing with you!   What I was trying to say was much of the damage done to retail has been done by the concept of the "interchangeable executive" fostered by the "MBA Mills," that is an executive can be switched willy-nilly around various businesses and run them sucessfully without a grounding in that business.  I think you and I know it ain't necessarily so!  

Removing all those "first-contact" personnel who meet and greet the buying public and make shopping a personal and fun experience is and was a major mistake.  They were part of the art, you know.

And I wouldn't get rid of the bean counters, I'd just tell them to stay in the back offices and count the beans, and mind their own business otherwise. THAT'S what their paid for!

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:59 PM

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SD70Dude
Hot crackers, I take exception to that!

Can you imagine if President Trump used the word  'plantation'  as a metaphor for the workplace?

CNN would simply explode. 

Imagine what Fox would have done if Obama had used that analogy........

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:38 PM

SD70Dude
Hot crackers, I take exception to that!

Can you imagine if President Trump used the word  'plantation'  as a metaphor for the workplace?

CNN would simply explode. 

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:06 PM

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Has anyone noticed people stopped making less impulse buys the more retail outlets streamlined their operations by reducing floor staff?  Now you can go into a large retailer and find almost no help at all, that's from slashing expenses at the wrong end of the door 

Trust me on this, retail is an art, not a science.  And like any other business if you don't understand it won't matter how well you did at the "MBA Mill," everything you touch will turn to ***.  

It's no mystery to me why so many large retailers were failing, even well before COVID-19 reared it's ugly head.  The rot started a long time ago.

 

 
First off, never went to an "MBA Mill", don't even have and MBA, but what I do have is the first ever Managment Degree issued in the U.S., thought up and submitted by a Community College teacher(not a professor because he wasn't an academic), approved by the national accredition body for degrees, but that isn't where most of my management thinking and style comes from.  Most of it comes from working for exceptional people skills managers and corporate leaders, yes even CEO's, I only worked at places where the CEO insisted people call them by their first name(and these weren't small companies either), but that's straying from my reponse.
 
The waste in retail was at the back and middle end, not the front end, never was at the front end...only the bean counters saw it at the front end(and still do to this day in all businesses).  Need to get rid of the bean counters.
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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:07 PM

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I don't see any allegation of racism.

Charlie is accusing you of supporting management bullying and harassing ALL their workers.  

Where did I support management bullying and harassing ALL their workers?  All I said is that management expects a full day's work for a day's pay.  Does that amount to bullying and harassing the workers?

Management expects 2 days of work for each day the employee is on the property - they feel that with anything less the employees are stealing directly out of their pockets.  They feature a day's pay for a day's work is theft by employees.

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Posted by Euclid on Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:44 PM

SD70Dude
 

I don't see any allegation of racism.

Charlie is accusing you of supporting management bullying and harassing ALL their workers. 

Where did I support management bullying and harassing ALL their workers?  All I said is that management expects a full day's work for a day's pay.  Does that amount to bullying and harassing the workers?

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:12 PM

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I think that it's one of those things where IF you are looking for the opportunity to claim offense, then it's easy to infer what you are looking for.

Sort of like when Charlie was insisting that mention of "states rights" was necessarily a reference to the land of cotton.

If someone looks hard enough for an opportunity to become offended, seldom are they unsuccessful.

Hot crackers, I take exception to that!

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:04 PM

SD70Dude
I don't see any allegation of racism.

I think that it's one of those things where IF you are looking for the opportunity to claim offense, then it's easy to infer what you are looking for.

Sort of like when Charlie was insisting that mention of "states rights" was necessarily a reference to the land of cotton.

If someone looks hard enough for an opportunity to become offended, seldom are they unsuccessful.

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