Convicted One SD70Dude you can always report the thread, I won't mind, in fact I'm amazed it has lasted this long. I was merely paraphrasing his own grievance from the previous page, when the tables were turned. I don't favor either side of the political spectrum, but I do loathe hypocrisy.
SD70Dude you can always report the thread, I won't mind, in fact I'm amazed it has lasted this long.
I was merely paraphrasing his own grievance from the previous page, when the tables were turned.
I don't favor either side of the political spectrum, but I do loathe hypocrisy.
Says the guy Murphy's Siding nailed years ago. The difference, which you were unable to spot, is that the facts are on the side of the postings from people like Balt, while the Mining Guy was posting dangerous conspiracy fiction. False equivalency arguments abound.
SD70Dudeyou can always report the thread, I won't mind, in fact I'm amazed it has lasted this long.
Convicted One charlie hebdo I share the concerns of all three of you. With a corrupt, incompetent current occupant, he knows that if he loses, he and his cronies will no longer be immune from any criminal prosecution, state or federal. Fear breeds desperation and danger. Why do we have to tolerate this posting of partisan political demagoguery, whether a joke or not?
charlie hebdo I share the concerns of all three of you. With a corrupt, incompetent current occupant, he knows that if he loses, he and his cronies will no longer be immune from any criminal prosecution, state or federal. Fear breeds desperation and danger.
Why do we have to tolerate this posting of partisan political demagoguery, whether a joke or not?
You can always report the thread, I won't mind, in fact I'm amazed it has lasted this long.
But never fear, I'm sure the other side is preparing a response of equal tone and substance.
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charlie hebdoI share the concerns of all three of you. With a corrupt, incompetent current occupant, he knows that if he loses, he and his cronies will no longer be immune from any criminal prosecution, state or federal. Fear breeds desperation and danger.
From last year, from those most esteemed purveyors of the original, the best, the greatest (dare I say gold-plated?) fake news.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/18/politics/donald-trump-term-limit/index.html
SAD!!!!!
I share the concerns of all three of you. With a corrupt, incompetent current occupant, he knows that if he loses, he and his cronies will no longer be immune from any criminal prosecution, state or federal. Fear breeds desperation and danger.
54light15 What is truly astonishing is the support he has from his followers. They really, really like him as Sally Field said once. And they're the ones with guns.
What is truly astonishing is the support he has from his followers. They really, really like him as Sally Field said once. And they're the ones with guns.
This brings up something I could rant all day about. I blame in great part our education system. From first grade on we are told to accept what we are told, don't question it, just memorize it, it's going to be on the test. 2 + 2 = 4; don't try to analyze it or question why.
Loyalty is a top priority. "My high school is the best high school! Yay, team!" In other words, attach yourself to a group so that you don't have to think any more.
I often found it frustrating working with new-hires troubleshooting problems. They would decide what was bad, and when I knew from experience that they were wrong, rather than telling them so I would ask, "Why do you say that's the problem?" All I got in reply was, "I know it, I just know it!" Any further questioning would not get any logical reasoning, but just fierce loyalty to their original opinion.
I've got to stop now.
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54light15Which makes me fear for the future. I would not want to see the presidential election delayed until "The current state of emergency has passed" and if the results are not to the liking of the incumbent will there be a "Reichstag" fire?
I share your concerns.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Which makes me fear for the future. I would not want to see the presidential election delayed until "The current state of emergency has passed" and if the results are not to the liking of the incumbent will there be a "Reichstag" fire?
54light15What is truly astonishing is the support he has from his followers. They really, really like him as Sally Field said once. And they're the ones with guns.
They aren't the only ones with guns.
There are no limits to the ignorance and corruption which abound at 1600 Pennsylvania.
charlie hebdo What is really tragic is to have an ignorant occupant in the WH who calls a scientific study "anti-Trump" because he didn't like its results (or in 12 other studies) that showed his drug, hydroxychlroquine, is ineffective and linked to cardiac arrhythmia. For Trump and his lackeys and fellow travelers, science is no longer factual. Scary.
What is really tragic is to have an ignorant occupant in the WH who calls a scientific study "anti-Trump" because he didn't like its results (or in 12 other studies) that showed his drug, hydroxychlroquine, is ineffective and linked to cardiac arrhythmia. For Trump and his lackeys and fellow travelers, science is no longer factual. Scary.
I would be willing to bet that said ignoramus is not taking hydroxychloroquine.
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What was the science-fiction story about the fellow who invented a completely phony religion (a la L. Ron Hubbard) in order to send up anyone who professed to believe in it, but wound up with a strong and growing community of believers who just used the intentional contradictions, puns, and weird arguments in the 'sacred texts' and 'holy scripture' as tests of faith that purportedly made them stronger ... etc.?
There's always the danger that a conspiracy theory injected into a mass of 'truths' (objective or otherwise, as long as verisimilitudinous to lay people or wannabe Dunning-Kruger candidates) will take hold as a meme. It might even, like telegony in the antebellum South, or the complex of things regarding "Semites" in post-WWI Germany or "Muslims" in contemporary America, acquire the status of a movement or even a Big Lie of one sort or another.
Where this gets difficult is in separating strongly-held beliefs from nutjob secular faiths -- in the increasing absence of the learning or critical thinking needed to discriminate the two credibly. We live in an age when Vannevar Bush's Memex, and a great deal more besides, are an objective and 'free' reality -- the problem being that file cabinets can contain a great deal of well-organized, and sometimes well-defended, garbage as well as facts and knowledge. And very little has been done, and a great deal done to destroy, methods of objective critical 'wisdom to tell the difference'.
When I wondered decades ago 'where the Lippmanns were', I wasn't pretending that culture or society actually did a good or full job explaining things -- there were plenty of issues that needed redress then, just as there are now. But at least there was a strong sector of society that valued objective thought and careful journalism-to-get-at-the-facts. I date the decline of the modern West as starting when Edward R. Murrow got the can; when entertainment becomes news coverage, and editorials become the stuff of 'legitimate' news coverage, and simple knee-jerk trying to make people look bad becomes a standard technique in news coverage, it becomes almost silly to assume that people will keep believing what the news coverage tells them -- after the first few times it becomes clear things are being gamed. That sort of vacuum is the thing that conspiracy thermodynamics will preferentially fill...
Flintlock76 charlie hebdo Jokes are humorous and innocuous; crazy conspiracy pronouncements are downright dangerous because certain segments of society believe and even act on them. Relax Charlie, the Miningman's conspiracy post is a well-crafted joke, no more, no less. No one on this thread's going to believe it, and if they do, they need to do a dipstick check on their sense of humor fluid level. C'mon, sit down. Put your feet up. Have a beer. A good sense of the ridiculous is a marvelous survival tool! And another thing, there's NO WAY I'd send those adorable pups into the closet to check for monsters! I'LL check for the monsters and keep those dogs from harm!
charlie hebdo Jokes are humorous and innocuous; crazy conspiracy pronouncements are downright dangerous because certain segments of society believe and even act on them.
Jokes are humorous and innocuous; crazy conspiracy pronouncements are downright dangerous because certain segments of society believe and even act on them.
Relax Charlie, the Miningman's conspiracy post is a well-crafted joke, no more, no less. No one on this thread's going to believe it, and if they do, they need to do a dipstick check on their sense of humor fluid level.
C'mon, sit down. Put your feet up. Have a beer. A good sense of the ridiculous is a marvelous survival tool!
And another thing, there's NO WAY I'd send those adorable pups into the closet to check for monsters! I'LL check for the monsters and keep those dogs from harm!
Try reading with accuracy and knock off the patronizing and condescending phrases.
Paul of Covington 54light15 Craftsman tools are sold in various places now, same as Die-Hard batteries. I used to work in a Sears garage in Poughkeepsie, New York. I'm installing a battery in a customer's Toyota. Guy says to me in an almost hostile manner, "Sears batteries are no better than anyone elses" I said, "Yes, you are correct. They are no better. But what you are paying for is the coast-to-coast warranty. If your battery dies in the middle of Indiana, and you bought the battery at Eddie's gas station down the street, what's Eddie going to do for you? Plus I noticed that when I started your car, the radio was on and the air conditoning was on. No battery in a 4 cylinder car is going to last five years when you treat it like that." The guy didn't have much to say after that. Ah, yes, the warranty. I decided back around 1970 that those warranties were not worth the bother. Tires and batteries were always on sale. When you had a failure on a tire, you went back to the dealer and they pro-rated the adjustment based on the time elapsed and/or tread wear. This adjustment was applied to the "normal" list price, then you had to pay for balancing and mounting and taxes, so you wound up paying close to the full price. (Balancing and mounting were usually free originally.) ~snip~
54light15 Craftsman tools are sold in various places now, same as Die-Hard batteries. I used to work in a Sears garage in Poughkeepsie, New York. I'm installing a battery in a customer's Toyota. Guy says to me in an almost hostile manner, "Sears batteries are no better than anyone elses" I said, "Yes, you are correct. They are no better. But what you are paying for is the coast-to-coast warranty. If your battery dies in the middle of Indiana, and you bought the battery at Eddie's gas station down the street, what's Eddie going to do for you? Plus I noticed that when I started your car, the radio was on and the air conditoning was on. No battery in a 4 cylinder car is going to last five years when you treat it like that." The guy didn't have much to say after that.
Craftsman tools are sold in various places now, same as Die-Hard batteries. I used to work in a Sears garage in Poughkeepsie, New York. I'm installing a battery in a customer's Toyota. Guy says to me in an almost hostile manner, "Sears batteries are no better than anyone elses" I said, "Yes, you are correct. They are no better. But what you are paying for is the coast-to-coast warranty. If your battery dies in the middle of Indiana, and you bought the battery at Eddie's gas station down the street, what's Eddie going to do for you? Plus I noticed that when I started your car, the radio was on and the air conditoning was on. No battery in a 4 cylinder car is going to last five years when you treat it like that." The guy didn't have much to say after that.
Ah, yes, the warranty. I decided back around 1970 that those warranties were not worth the bother. Tires and batteries were always on sale. When you had a failure on a tire, you went back to the dealer and they pro-rated the adjustment based on the time elapsed and/or tread wear. This adjustment was applied to the "normal" list price, then you had to pay for balancing and mounting and taxes, so you wound up paying close to the full price. (Balancing and mounting were usually free originally.)
~snip~
America's Tires warranty is great, because not only do I get free flat repairs(if it's repairable), but free tire rotation and balancing for the life of the tire(s). Also, if the damage to a flat tire is road related or due to bad tire I get a free replacement tire at no cost, and it's a one time minimal charge for the lifetime warranty. My current one has already paid for itself with one tire replaced(sidewall split open) and two flat repairs. So it really depends on whom you get your stuff from and what the warranty provides.
BaltACD My point is that true testing for something that is to be used on the general population cannot be rushed and needs to be tested with due concern for ALL areas of the population - those having 'life long illnesses' that are being treated various forms of medical treatment, the pregnant - through all stages of it, etc. etc. etc. While giving 8 healthy people the 'vaccine' and having them generate the desired anti-bodies is a good first step, it is just that - the first step. The longest journeys begin with the first step, however, there are many more steps involved for the journey to have a successful conclusion.
My point is that true testing for something that is to be used on the general population cannot be rushed and needs to be tested with due concern for ALL areas of the population - those having 'life long illnesses' that are being treated various forms of medical treatment, the pregnant - through all stages of it, etc. etc. etc.
While giving 8 healthy people the 'vaccine' and having them generate the desired anti-bodies is a good first step, it is just that - the first step. The longest journeys begin with the first step, however, there are many more steps involved for the journey to have a successful conclusion.
A good portion of the testing for a vaccine involves the actual process of making the vaccine. I don't know what the story is with respect to the Moderna vaccine, but the J&J vaccine will be made with an already approved production process. Note that the annual flu vaccines are brought to market a few months after the initial vaccine is made. From what I understand is the speed up is coming from doing a rapid review of the tests.
As with almost all of life, there are tradeoff's on how fast to push the vaccine development process. I tend to think that the saving in lives lost from preventing COVID-19 AND THE EFFECTS OF THE LOCKDOWN will outweigh the problems of an accelerated development. Note that normal childhood vaccinations are falling behind schedule as normal childhood checkups are being postponed due to the lockdowns.
As for anti-VAX'ers, I have no rpoblem with people disagreeing with the virtual address extensions to the PDP-11 architecture...
The unfortunate part of the Thalidomide story is that the molecule exists in both a left handed and right handed form. One provides the beneficial effects and the other causes birth defects.
zugmann Most of the people worried about the gov't sticking tracking chips in them are willingly carrying around electronic devices with twitter and facebook aps installed.
Most of the people worried about the gov't sticking tracking chips in them are willingly carrying around electronic devices with twitter and facebook aps installed.
I put duct tape on my laptop's camera years before Zuckerberg made it cool.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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charlie hebdo Why do we have to tolerate this posting of partisan political conspiracy insanity, whether a joke or not?
Why do we have to tolerate this posting of partisan political conspiracy insanity, whether a joke or not?
In these current times, with a bankrupt casino owner in the White House, a failed Mr. Dressup wannabe up north, and Mr. Brexit Bus'o'lies in 10 Downing St, is the stuff in this thread really that insane?
(that's another joke, speaking seriously, I am disappointed in some of the stuff coming from certain folks who should know better)
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Overmod Of course the whole thing was funded by Soros and the tracking device developed by Bill and Melinda Gates, with a complex tax deduction thru the Foundation and exclusive rights with Microsoft. They'll get the blame for it no matter what they do. One might argue they might as well go ahead and connive under those circumstances; it can't be too much worse. Some of the conspiracy theories regarding Gates and vaccinations in 'developing nations' are so complicated that you'd think there has to be some grain of fact in there; no one could come up with that complex and interlocking a tale without being paid by some online content provider to write a series conspiracy script.
Of course the whole thing was funded by Soros and the tracking device developed by Bill and Melinda Gates, with a complex tax deduction thru the Foundation and exclusive rights with Microsoft.
They'll get the blame for it no matter what they do. One might argue they might as well go ahead and connive under those circumstances; it can't be too much worse. Some of the conspiracy theories regarding Gates and vaccinations in 'developing nations' are so complicated that you'd think there has to be some grain of fact in there; no one could come up with that complex and interlocking a tale without being paid by some online content provider to write a series conspiracy script.
If there's one thing I have learned from working on the railroad, it is that human stupidity knows no bounds.
Probably was a railroader who dreamed up those more complicated conspiracies, gotta do something while rotting in sidings or at the AFHT for days.
MiningmanWell lets see... You don't have to check under the bed because the vaccine developed by big pharma contains a transponder and tracking device so they know where you are at all times.
Don't laugh. The University of Memphis has one of the ten best AI departments in the country, and there have been many, many poster sessions describing various transponder arrangements, from RFID chips that adhere to tissue walls to self-assembling structures that can interact with 'capsule' diagnostic radio. Be relatively simple for multinational food companies to provide activation right in your cereal box or chocolate bar and upload your crApple-based breadcrumb trail to the cloud.
This vaccine is required by the WHO for all of us.
Probably won't require it ... any more than cash will be declared illegal. They'll just arrange to make it so more and more you can't avoid it (or get it as part of some innocuous thing like a disease test, or nose drops, or breath spray) and at some point switch over so that all the careful social-distancing only applies to people who can't 'prove' immunity... oh, did we mention how easily we can acquire it for you?
Subsequent vaccines may even contain an explosive device that can be detonated at will by control central. Nothing messy, just a little missile that runs around in your noggin and turns your brain to mush.
Considering what can be done with vaccines or sequentially-administered live-virus agents ... explosives are primitive and excessively expensive. Let me just leave you with the British 'desiderata' for biological agents in the early '50s: you don't want to kill, you want to set up whole populations (with silent pre-treatment, ideally that causes irrevocable change) so that with a simple additional agent you can make everyone sick; you don't want to kill people as much as you want to make them permanently needing care from those who would otherwise 'contribute to a war economy' ... unless they are tank crews or the like, in which case quick and debilitating illness isn't something 'bad' for viral survival.
The biological equivalent of Stuxnet is something that has worried me over half a century. It used to be bad science fiction, now it's something you could build with the equivalent of a Pakistani's nuclear-physics education at Columbia in the '80s and about $100K of equipment bought off eBay.
And we have peabrains whining about how Fauci set up the institute in Wuhan to weaponize something out of coronavirus research! With what the Chinese knew before this pandemic erupted, they could have produced much better weaponized viruses than SARS-Cov-2.
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