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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:19 PM

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By the way, if you haven't seen "1917" do so!  Great film!  Can't beat it as a period piece, attention to detail is superb!  The story?  It's a story.

Ah yes, "The Alien enemies Act of 1917" and the quasi-governmental "Council of Defense" mobilizing chapters across the country to bully and coerce German-Americans to demonstrate their loyalty through means often not short of duress. Those were the days! 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:27 PM

I'm a bit reluctant to comment on school closings since I have no kids of my own.  I'm not sure what to think.  On one had I think two week closings may bit a bit excessive, on the other maybe one week isn't enough.  It's certainly going to cause disruptions in homes, as in, parents wondering just what they're going to do with the kids for two weeks.  And if it's a two-income household? 

And at any rate, those two weeks are going to have to be made up sometime.

But as was stated earlier children don't seem to be affected all that much, if at all.

It's a judgement call I probably shouldn't critisize.

One call I think was extemely foolish was the Lieutenant Governor of New Jersey advising people to buy two week's worth of groceries and home supplies.  All that's done is exacerbate panic buying.  The governor of Viginia, a doctor himself, has made no such call.  That doesn't mean the panic buying hasn't reached here too.

I just read an interesting on-line article on CNBC where, in a nutshell, psychologists have explained the panic buying as a manifestion in some people of an assertion of control, a reaction to a situation where they feel they have no control at all.  Makes sense. 

Anyway, the wife and I haven't changed our shopping habits at all.  We even went out to dinner last night at a new barbecue place that just opened.  Considering this is a rough time to open a business like that we wanted to help the proprietors a bit.  Cars in the parking lot usually lead to more cars in the parking lot.  Know what?  It worked!  And the food was damn good too!

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:41 PM

Corona-19 has been stated as more contagious than its cousin SARS.

https://www.alleseuropa.net/u-s-researchers-find-coronavirus-corona19-more-contagious-than-sars/ 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:42 PM

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Flintlock76
By the way, if you haven't seen "1917" do so!  Great film!  Can't beat it as a period piece, attention to detail is superb!  The story?  It's a story.

 

Ah yes, "The Alien enemies Act of 1917" and the quasi-governmental "Council of Defense" mobilizing chapters across the country to bully and coerce German-Americans to demonstrate their loyalty through means often not short of duress. Those were the days! 

 

Huh?

I know what you're talking about but it's a BRITISH film, why would they mention American mis-governance?   

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, March 15, 2020 8:14 PM

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but it's a BRITISH film, why would they mention American mis-governance?   

Your mention of 1917 inspired my recall of other contemporary events.  According to accounts I've read, the local chapter of the Council for Defense even went door to door demanding that German Americans buy war bonds on the spot just to prove their loyalty.  Those who did not give freely enough were deemed disloyal and subjected to physical intimidation, and when even that failed to produce the desired results many were summoned  to defend their non-compliance in self proclaimed Council of Defense courts, (despite  the Council having no authority to administer trials whatsoever). Many of those targeted for such harrassment had been local residents since the 1840s and 1850s.

Indeed, she's a grande olde flag, warts and all.

 

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:44 PM

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Went out for my normal afternoon walk - I don't, in 12 years of walking this neighborhood, I have ever seen so many people out walking or running - EVER - and the temperature is in the low 50's with a 5-10 MPH North/Northeast wind.

My wife and I can't go to the park districts recreation center (avoid crowds) so we took a walk and saw three other couples walking. Maybe those in your neighborhood were needing exercise.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, March 15, 2020 11:29 PM

Glad to see something positive.  Here is some advice from a friend regarding how you can help should you know someone in isolation, whether or not they are actually sick.  I've tried to comply with the rules by removing specifically religious advice, but if there are complaints, post them, and I will edit accordingly.

The threat of the coronavirus is sending more people into quarantine every day, and most, especially the elderly, are feeling scared and powerless. A key principle is the importance of chessed, kindness, and even now there are many things that we can safely do to help others. Moreover, while we're helping others, we’re also keeping ourselves busy with positive thoughts and actions that distract us from the general undercurrent of negativity and fear, replacing it with kindness, goodness and gratitude—something we all need at this time!
1. Stay in Touch
No time before in history has it been as simple to stay connected with people in real time. Whether you're Skyping, Tweeting, using WhatsApp, FaceTime or Google Hangouts, or just talking on the phone, you can share news, offer encouragement, and give others the feeling they are not alone and that you are thinking of them.
2. Offer to Bring Groceries or Run Errands
Being locked up for two weeks makes it difficult to take care of everyday tasks, errands and appointments. Offer to bring things to people’s homes—groceries, work from the office, Sudoku puzzles, inspirational books or reading material, drop off or pick up packages at the post office, or anything else they might need—and leave it outside their door.
 
4. Send a Virtual Card
Send your quarantined acquaintance a funny get well card from one of the many virtual greeting card companies. You can also send funny jokes, short insights, interesting stories, or inspirational videos.
5. Learn Over the Phone
 
Share an interesting  class that you went to, or study via the phone together. Learning is a great way to make someone homebound feel productive and inject them with a healing dose of spirituality.
6. Bring a Bowl of Chicken Soup or whatever your friend enjoys most.
 
Bake a cake, bring a home-cooked meal or some chicken soup, or a special treat from a store that you know they love. Leave it outside their door, then call them and say, “Dinner is served.”
7. Livestream What They’re Missing
If you're at an event that they're missing – a wedding or bar mitzvah – livestream it so they get to feel part of the celebration, or allow them to video chat with the hosts and wish them Good Luck"
8. Ask Their Advice
Helping someone feel that they are still needed even when they are in need of help themselves is a wonderful gift. Call to ask their advice on a problem you're having.
9. Help Them Reframe with Positive Thinking
 
Help them reframe and focus on the positive aspects of being in quarantine. They get a rest. They have time to devote to projects they’ve been neglecting. They can spend time with family members that are quarantined with them. Moreover, the whole idea of quarantine is to try and keep as many people healthy as possible, so whoever is subjected to this hiatus from regular life is actually helping keep others stay healthy and there is no greater good deed.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, March 16, 2020 5:45 AM

Boston Globe Headline:

The first participant in a clinical trial for a vaccine to protect against the new coronavirus will receive an experimental dose on Monday, according to a government official.  (USA)

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, March 16, 2020 11:35 AM

I just want to know one thing, who is going to pay for this vacation I am supposed to take?

And, just one more reason to be glad I don't live in the crowded city...........there are deer in the back yard, and I am a good shot.

I'm at work as usual.........

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, March 16, 2020 12:11 PM
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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, March 16, 2020 12:46 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
I just want to know one thing, who is going to pay for this vacation I am supposed to take?

And, just one more reason to be glad I don't live in the crowded city...........there are deer in the back yard, and I am a good shot.

I'm at work as usual.........

Sheldon

Have seen deer making nocturnal visits to my driveway.  A corn field is about a 10 minute walk from the house.  See deer from time to time in the city's linear park.

It is tough to work remotely when all your not working is done at home already account retirement.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, March 16, 2020 1:32 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
there are deer in the back yard, and I am a good shot.

Isn't the deer season in Maryland for firearms in late fall? 

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Posted by 54light15 on Monday, March 16, 2020 2:36 PM

I don't think hunting seasons apply when deer are eating your garden. I'm not a hunter but that's what I've heard. Mmm... venison! 

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, March 16, 2020 3:01 PM

Smile

54light15

I don't think hunting seasons apply when deer are eating your garden. I'm not a hunter but that's what I've heard. Mmm... venison

Could that be classified as protecting your food supply from invaders?Smile

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, March 16, 2020 3:13 PM

Deggesty
Could that be classified as protecting your food supply from invaders?

It likely varies from state to state, but I think the accepted term is "varminting"

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Posted by Convicted One on Monday, March 16, 2020 3:29 PM

Well, just got back from a supply run

Needed to go by the local IRS office for tax forms, had to submit to a weapons check AND a "touchless" body temperature screen...both seemed reasonable. They had all the common forms but were completely out of Schedule C, it's instructions, and form 8965 and it's workbook, with a near zero likelihood they will restock by  deadline time

Went to Walgreen's,...none of the "hoarding" items in stock,  was surprised to find a bountiful supply of vitamin C, but $35.00 per bottle in a buy BOGO free offering. And I inquired about pneumonia shots only to learn that one has to be 65 or older to get one without a prescription, and at 62 they turned me away...Grumpy

Went to a restaurant I've been going to for years, carry-out only which was not a problem, but they refused to allow me to use the restroom, citing state restrictions. I pointed out there would be less than 50 people in the restroom, but they remained unmoved.

Stopped by the bank to get $1,000.00 pocket money, just in case, and learned I was far from alone in that quest. And they had hand sanitizer...oh joy!! 

Gasoline was down to $1.87/gallon for mid octane, so I topped off just to be prepared.

Now I can stay home in peace and not worry about the little things. Just gotta download those missing tax forms and hit Office depot to get them printed and it'll be smooth sailing.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, March 16, 2020 3:40 PM

54light15

I don't think hunting seasons apply when deer are eating your garden. I'm not a hunter but that's what I've heard. Mmm... venison! 

 

Bambi-Burgers!  Yum!  Chef  Dinner

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Monday, March 16, 2020 3:54 PM

   Just an aside:    Do you realize how hard it is to keep your hands away from your face?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, March 16, 2020 4:06 PM

Paul of Covington

   Just an aside:    Do you realize how hard it is to keep your hands away from your face?

 

Yep.  I don't even try. And if I'm in bed what am I supposed to do, handcuff myself to the bedstead so I don't do it while I'm half-asleep? 

I was never into the "handcuffs on the bed" thing to begin with.   Embarrassed

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, March 16, 2020 4:24 PM

Paul of Covington
   Just an aside:    Do you realize how hard it is to keep your hands away from your face?

Just go to a vet and get a 'cone of shame'! Big Smile [:DBig Smile Big Smile

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 3:43 AM

Concerning the massive prayers for recovery at the Western Wall:

1,   If one Dave Klepper had posted it, would someone, maybe even the moderator, considered it injecting religion into the discussion and removed it?

2.  Be assured, that first of all I am a Doctor's son and retain huge respect for the medical profession.  Our doctors currently tell us to stay away from crowds.  Second, my Yeshiva's rabbis and teachers also believe in foillowing doctors' advice, and neither I nor any of my fellow students harkened the call of Tsvat's local rabbi.  We don't need to gather in a huge crowd to pray for the cure or for the Chinese people.  We do add the appropriate Psalms that speak of healing to our regular prayers. 

Third, if the Chinese Ambassador saw fit to be present at that huge prayer gathering, perhaps this can result in ending persecution of Christians in China?

Now I am asking those of you who are Christians or anyone living outside Israel in a Democracy, especially if you are one of the lucky few who got to China in time to witness first-hand the World's last great steam locomotive main-line high-tonnage panorama and can reflect on your experiences, to:

Use this opportunity.  Print out the news story and send it with your own personal letter to the Chinese Ambassadors to the USA or Canada or whatever, and their Ambassador to the UN.  "Stop persecuting religious Chinese and maybe the prayers said in Jerusalem will do some good for you!"

Now why don't I write the letter?  Religious Jews in China, today, are all foreigners.  And are not persecuted.  China wants good relations with both Israel and all the Arabs and Iran.  Offically, the Chinese Government considers our Jewish religion as part of our Nationality and thus they have an excuse for not persecuting us in China.  The Israeli government has enough to worry about concerning our developing trade and educatiional ties with China, and keeping this from in any way hurting USA interests, without my adding another issue.  But you are free and clear to use this story.

And let us hope that someday they will stop persecuting Tibetans!

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:46 AM

Posted mainly because of five recorded recovered

he number of Israelis infected by the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, rose Tuesday morning by six people to 304, according to the Health Ministry.

 

Among the infected are three people who work in the Central Laboratory for Detecting Coronavirus of the Ministry of Health at Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer. On Monday, the lab was shut down because its deputy director-general became infected. The new diagnoses include two additional staff members, Kan news reported.

 
 

There are four patients in critical condition, 11 in moderate and 284 that have mild cases of the virus, according to the ministry report. 

 

So far, five Israelis have become infected with but recovered from COVID-19.

 

Some 223 people are hospitalized, 15 are in the check-in process and will be hospitalized by the end of the day, and 46 patients are being treated in home-isolation.

 

On Sunday night, a senior doctor at Ichilov Hospital was reported by Ynet to have contracted the virus. All of the patients in her unit – many of them senior citizens – had to be tested and transferred to another unit, and her staff was sent home to self-isolate. The next morning, an intern in the hospital’s urology department also tested positive for coronavirus.

 

In addition, the IDF confirmed that patient No. 273 is a 19-year-old soldier from the north of the country. She is in mild condition. The IDF Medical Corps. and the Ministry of Health are together conducting a comprehensive epidemiological investigation and will share that information soon.

 
 
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Posted by A McIntosh on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:52 AM

[quote user="daveklepper"]

Posted mainly because of five recorded recovered

he number of Israelis infected by the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, rose Tuesday morning by six people to 304, according to the Health Ministry.

 

Among the infected are three people who work in the Central Laboratory for Detecting Coronavirus of the Ministry of Health at Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer. On Monday, the lab was shut down because its deputy director-general became infected. The new diagnoses include two additional staff members, Kan news reported.

 
 

There are four patients in critical condition, 11 in moderate and 284 that have mild cases of the virus, according to the ministry report. 

 

So far, five Israelis have become infected with but recovered from COVID-19.

 

Some 223 people are hospitalized, 15 are in the check-in process and will be hospitalized by the end of the day, and 46 patients are being treated in home-isolation.

 

On Sunday night, a senior doctor at Ichilov Hospital was reported by Ynet to have contracted the virus. All of the patients in her unit – many of them senior citizens – had to be tested and transferred to another unit, and her staff was sent home to self-isolate. The next morning, an intern in the hospital’s urology department also tested positive for coronavirus.

 

In addition, the IDF confirmed that patient No. 273 is a 19-year-old soldier from the north of the country. She is in mild condition. The IDF Medical Corps. and the Ministry of Health are together conducting a comprehensive epidemiological investigation and will share that information soon.

 I have seen a report that there is a lab researching to find a vaccine for this virus in Israel. I believe it is located in the Galilee region. Also, as a devout Christian (Anglican/ACNA) thank you for your kind and uplifting words. I remember visiting the Yad Vashem memorial and a memorial to the Righteous among the nations. One quote from one of these righteous gentiles from Poland said that the righteous did not become righteous. They simply refused to go over the cliff with the rest of humanity. That quote was from a radio broadcast.
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Posted by Convicted One on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:22 AM

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   Just an aside:    Do you realize how hard it is to keep your hands away from your face?

Most of the accounts I've seen mention to not touch your face (after touching foreign surfaces) before washing your hands. So a bar of soap and a sink before bedtime can negate the need for handcuffs.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:39 AM

The photo has nothing to do with religion. I posted that photo of a huge crowd to show that some places are not taking the coronavirus very seriously. 

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:04 AM

The 'Sports' world has more brains and consideration than this one... imagine that. 

All those people have to go home eventually and have contact with  another hundred people who in turn... and so on. 

Stupid is as stupid does but why put innocents in danger. 

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:14 AM

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So far, five Israelis have become infected with but recovered from COVID-19.  

Worldwide as of 3/17:

Cases confirmed: 188,297
Fatal
7,499
Recovered
80,848
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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:29 AM

Italy:27,980 confirmed cases  2,158 deaths, mortality rate is 7.7%. Italy has an older median age than the US, but ours is older than China's. So the next time someone says this is no worse than seasonal flu (0.1%), they are simply wrong. We don't really have enough information because of the failure to have testing kits and labs even now to know what our mortality rate will be, but likely 1-2%.

But, older adults have been hit the hardest in China.The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 were reported. 

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Posted by n012944 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:32 AM

NKP guy

   This might be a simple test for those who believe the public is "over-reacting":

1.  Which airline or Amtrak tickets have you bought this week or are willing to commit to for next week?

Round trip JAX to BNA and AUS.

 

2.  Name the common stocks you bought this week or will commit to for next week.

Plenty, now is the time to buy.  Picked up some airline stock last week, have a couple other industries that I am looking to pick up this week.  There are plenty of bargins out there if you look past the next couple of months.  It is funny how people on this site blast wall street as being short sighted in their ownership goals, well put up or shut up.

 

3.  Which hospital or nursing home have you visited this week or are willing to commit to visiting for next week?

Most of those have restrictions now on who can show up.  Since I don't know anyone close in either, I have no reason to go.

 

4.  Which friends or family members are you concerned about as it pertains to COVID-19?

The same ones that I am concerned for getting cancer, flu, broken bones, so and so forth.

 

Answers:  Don't assume about, or speak for other people.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:37 AM
top viruses like coronavirus (COVID-19) spreading.
There’s no specific treatment for coronavirus (COVID-19).Treatment aims to relieve the symptoms until you recover. It's not known exactly how coronavirus (COVID-19) spreads from person to person, but similar viruses are spread in cough droplets.
Data from:
Consult a medical professional for advice

Novel Coronavirus cases

PlacesCasesDeathsRecovered
China80,8813,22668,709
Italy27,9802,1582,749
Iran16,1699885,389
Spain11,4095091,028
South Korea8,320811,401
Germany8,0842067
France6,63314812
United States4,7408517
Switzerland2,269214
United Kingdom1,9505552
Netherlands1,711430
Norway1,43731
Austria1,33239
Belgium1,243101
Sweden1,13871
See more
Total188,2977,49980,848
As of 3:26 PM, Mar 17, 2020 GMT

 

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