Electroliner 1935Before that happens, it’s worth examining the preceding trail of Trumpian blather.
That has nothing to do with what was being answered by my post.
York1 John
charlie hebdoIt was what he said.
I think that, in all fairness to him, what he meant was that the Democrats were trying to whip up enthusiasm for the coronavirus as economy-destroying pandemic in order to ruin more of his campaign or efforts -- that was at a time before the virus displayed its current breakouts. To the extent the threat wasn't fully real at that time (much as the current perception of swine flu and then SARS as sort of Comet Kouhouteks of infectious diseases) it would have had many attributes of at least an attempt at a hoax.
The infections clone(s) have subsequently proven to be anything but a hoax -- even if we were to give credence to the somewhat ridiculous idea that Democrats are still consciously trying to wreck and impede things to make Trump look bad, a technique that worked quite nicely on Carter and the first Bush. Perhaps to Trump's credit, I believe he has not made the claim about Democratic hoaxing since the American caseload trends began to be dramatically ominous.
I'm deeply concerned about how the rollout of pervasive effective testing could have been bungled so dramatically and for so long. That's surely not something that Republican tinkering could or would affect, and it does not sound much like SOP at the CDC I was familiar with 25-odd years ago. If that is a guide for how any sort of effective 'treatment' (including effective vaccines, the only real thing that can eventually halt the problem with prompt novel induction other than prophylactic mass administration of 3CLpro inhibitors) is going to be implemented, I think self-quarantine of at least the elderly and 'compromised' is highly wise. As is removing as much of the "incentive" people have to go out, or expose themselves to potential aerial spread.
I've never really thought car cleaners even made a dent in actually 'sanitizing' the cars they turn, and I'm not sure either the techniques or the materials that are 'cost-effectively' used will work very well if at all. Many of the more potent agents, like higher-concentration quaternaries, have a bad smell or cause contact skin problems when used 'as required' to actually kill viral contamination on touchable surfaces or places where air circulation might spread material back into the air or to surfaces after cleaning. Note that the fine print on 'commercial' dilutions of some of the nominal 'disinfectants' instruct that all surfaces be left wet for 10 minutes, for ordinary types of expected contaminants -- this may be self-servingly extended for potentially lethal outbreak areas.
York1 Electroliner 1935 Before that happens, it’s worth examining the preceding trail of Trumpian blather. That has nothing to do with what was being answered by my post.
Electroliner 1935 Before that happens, it’s worth examining the preceding trail of Trumpian blather.
I didn't say that he said it was a hoax. What he did say was dismissive and not true, ie, HE LIED about the facts of the situation. He has no respect for the experts and can NEVER admit that he makes mistakes.
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-163043805.html
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Electroliner, I'm getting confused by the above exchange.
You asked, "Did you even read what I posted that represented what he did actually say President Trump, Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
Yes, I read that. I am not defending the current occupant for the things he said.
I attempted to discount false information.
The national news media said Trump called the virus a "hoax". He didn't.
The national news media said Trump called the virus "fake news". He didn't.
You'll notice I said nothing beyond that.
I'll post this before this entire thread gets closed.
My thought on all the closures, cancellations and lock-downs is then what?
I'm reminded of the push back in the fifties to build fallout shelters.
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Paul of Covington My thought on all the closures, cancellations and lock-downs is then what? I'm reminded of the push back in the fifties to build fallout shelters.
AND there's the toilet paper shortages in some parts of the country. The last time TP flew off the shelves like this was in 1973 when Johnny Carson joked about a toilet paper shortage. A joke became transmogrified into a panic.
Beats me. I hadn't heard a bad case of the poops was a symptom of coronavirus.
Overmod charlie hebdo It was what he said. I think that, in all fairness to him, what he meant was that the Democrats were trying to whip up enthusiasm for the coronavirus as economy-destroying pandemic in order to ruin more of his campaign or efforts -- that was at a time before the virus displayed its current breakouts. To the extent the threat wasn't fully real at that time (much as the current perception of swine flu and then SARS as sort of Comet Kouhouteks of infectious diseases) it would have had many attributes of at least an attempt at a hoax. The infections clone(s) have subsequently proven to be anything but a hoax -- even if we were to give credence to the somewhat ridiculous idea that Democrats are still consciously trying to wreck and impede things to make Trump look bad, a technique that worked quite nicely on Carter and the first Bush. Perhaps to Trump's credit, I believe he has not made the claim about Democratic hoaxing since the American caseload trends began to be dramatically ominous. I'm deeply concerned about how the rollout of pervasive effective testing could have been bungled so dramatically and for so long. That's surely not something that Republican tinkering could or would affect, and it does not sound much like SOP at the CDC I was familiar with 25-odd years ago. If that is a guide for how any sort of effective 'treatment' (including effective vaccines, the only real thing that can eventually halt the problem with prompt novel induction other than prophylactic mass administration of 3CLpro inhibitors) is going to be implemented, I think self-quarantine of at least the elderly and 'compromised' is highly wise. As is removing as much of the "incentive" people have to go out, or expose themselves to potential aerial spread. I've never really thought car cleaners even made a dent in actually 'sanitizing' the cars they turn, and I'm not sure either the techniques or the materials that are 'cost-effectively' used will work very well if at all. Many of the more potent agents, like higher-concentration quaternaries, have a bad smell or cause contact skin problems when used 'as required' to actually kill viral contamination on touchable surfaces or places where air circulation might spread material back into the air or to surfaces after cleaning. Note that the fine print on 'commercial' dilutions of some of the nominal 'disinfectants' instruct that all surfaces be left wet for 10 minutes, for ordinary types of expected contaminants -- this may be self-servingly extended for potentially lethal outbreak areas.
charlie hebdo It was what he said.
Minimizing this pandemic and calling it a continuation of other Democratic hoaxes or MSM fake news is simply dangerous nonsense from Trumpists and not really worth rebutting. In fact on Feb. 28, Trump said Democrats' criticism of his handling of the corona virus was their new hoax. Obviously he is sensitive to the criticism of his handling - real. So hoax obviously refers to the unfolding (at the time) corona virus.
As Truman said, "The buck stops here" which is true for a well-adjusted POTUS, not for this entitled narcissist in the WH, who is never at fault and is perfect in all his undertakings.
charlie hebdoTrump said Democrats' criticism of his handling of the corona virus was their new hoax. Obviously he is sensitive to the criticism of his handling - real. So hoax obviously refers to the unfolding (at the time) corona virus.
What? It either refers to the Democrats' criticism, or it refers to the virus itself. It's fairly clear that he was refering to the Democrats' criticism.
Flintlock76AND there's the toilet paper shortages in some parts of the country.
Just take a band saw and cut a roll of Bounty into thirds....problem solved!!
Even Trump's speech writers recognize the dangers. Nice reading from his teleprompter.
Flintlock76 AND there's the toilet paper shortages in some parts of the country. The last time TP flew off the shelves like this was in 1973 when Johnny Carson joked about a toilet paper shortage. A joke became transmogrified into a panic. Beats me. I hadn't heard a bad case of the poops was a symptom of coronavirus.
In most instances diarrhea is not one of the outcomes. But people that come down with coronavirus will be quarantined for 14 days. So, people are laying in a supply just in case.
Oh, there is one other factor. Anyone that assumes human beings are rationale is sadly mistaken. This is another example of a knee jerk (irrationale) response to a real problem, but one the media has hyped out of proportion.
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Convicted OneJust take a band saw and cut a roll of Bounty into thirds....problem solved!!
Might boost newspaper subscriptions.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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All the news thats fit to ****?
You do know, don't you, that paper towels are not meant to be flushed down the toilet? That'll only cause plumbing problems for you and headaches for the city waste treatment facility.
Your solution would be fine for people with outhouses.
The NBA just suspended the remainder of the season, how's that for over reacting?
Convicted One The NBA just suspended the remainder of the season, how's that for over reacting?
It's inconvenient for you?
NKP guy You do know, don't you, that paper towels are not meant to be flushed down the toilet? That'll only cause plumbing problems for you and headaches for the city waste treatment facility.
I was more shocked to learn that not everybody has a band saw. What is this world coming to?
charlie hebdoIt's inconvenient for you?
Not a bit, never cared for the sport personally . I Just thought their decision was noteworthy in contrast to all the claims of "viva chicken little"
how's that for over reacting? <----- There was probably more snark intended in that part of my post than was readily evident.
Convicted One charlie hebdo It's inconvenient for you? Not a bit, never cared for the sport personally . I Just thought their decision was noteworthy in contrast to all the claims of "viva chicken little"
charlie hebdo It's inconvenient for you?
The NBA's willing to take a hit in the cash box over this? Commendable, but let's see for just how long. We're talking BIG money here. Yeah, I'm a cynic, especially as far as professional sports are concerned.
Flintlock76Yeah, I'm a cynic, especially as far as professional sports are concerned.
I don't blame you, I still believe the fix was in on the superbowl immediately after 911.
Yeah, "Patriots" alright! .....Had to be propaganda.
NKP guy You do know, don't you, that paper towels are not meant to be flushed down the toilet
FWIW, I was shopping in a regional equivalent to Walmart this evening, and the shelves they normally stock with toilet paper were full of rolls of hand towels.
I was shocked as well to see that all their shelves of hand santizer were barren for the second week in a row, while their shelves of 91% isopropyl alcohol were completely untouched.
Desperate times...etc.
According to USA Today, Amtrak says that its bookings are down 50 percent and cancellations are up 300 percent. The company is looking at further train reductions, and non-critical mission employees would be asked to take unpaid time off on a voluntary basis.
Now there may be a silver lining in this cloud. Clearly, Amtrak won't need as much toilet paper, so maybe it can send the surplus to Walmart, Target, etc. Or better yet, how about auctioning it off to the Trains Forum participants?
Convicted OneI was shocked as well to see that all their shelves of hand santizer were barren for the second week in a row, while their shelves of 91% isopropyl alcohol were completely untouched.
Take a look at the vitamin section at your drug store. All the vitamin C has been gone for weeks.
Flintlock76AND there's the toilet paper shortages in some parts of the country. The last time TP flew off the shelves like this was in 1973 when Johnny Carson joked about a toilet paper shortage. A joke became transmogrified into a panic.
It got to be a running joke back then. I think that after the oil shortage, marketing caught on to the fact that announced "shortages" could be put to good use in their sales campaigns. And "since we sold the wheat to Russia" became the excuse for price hikes and panic-induced shortages of any food or or other supplies.
Subject: MTA Doubles Station Sanitizing Efforts Across New York CityTransit, Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North RailroadTo:March 11, 2020MTA Doubles Station Sanitizing Efforts Across New York City Transit,Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad MTA Disinfecting Stations Twice Daily, Deploys Enhanced DisinfectingProcedures at Metro-North’s New Rochelle Station and ContinuesDisinfecting Rolling Stock Daily With Full Fleet Completed Every 72Hours or LessVideo Disinfecting Subway and Stations Here<https://youtu.be/rLfuQivwzP8>; Video of Bus Disinfection Here<https://youtu.be/NEqbvF-zK2Y>
; Photos Here<https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/albums/72157713346282257>More information on the MTA’s Precautions and Guidance AgainstCoronavirus Here<https://new.mta.info/precautions-against-coronavirus>
<https://new.mta.info/precautions-against-coronavirus
What are the costs of Over Reaction?
What are the costs of Under Reaction?
One results in monetary loss, the other is counted in lives.
Convicted One NKP guy You do know, don't you, that paper towels are not meant to be flushed down the toilet? That'll only cause plumbing problems for you and headaches for the city waste treatment facility. I was more shocked to learn that not everybody has a band saw. What is this world coming to?
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