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Posted by schlimm on Friday, August 11, 2017 8:07 PM

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Just to put things into perspective here is a list of enhancements that the train operator (JREast and others in this case) to win the Midlands Franchise.

That's a lot of investment cost.  No wonder operators drop out.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, August 11, 2017 5:38 PM

Any information about the Egyptian RR passenger train that rear ended another pass train ?

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, August 11, 2017 9:30 AM

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Trenitalia pulls out of bidding for a U.K. franchise. It tends to reinforce my feelings that the problem with the franchises is the process and conditions. I have been trying to articulate this in my U.K. situation write up. But having worked mostly on the infrastructure side my observations on the operators may be less spot on. I'll get it finished one of these days.

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/main-line/trenitalia-pulls-out-of-south-eastern-franchise-contest.html

 

 

 

Given the nature of GB, that sounds like another Herculean task for you. But I would like to read that if you undertake it.

Is it possible operators appear to underestimate costs or some deliberately makes low-ball bids, thinking they will get some 'help' later?

 

Don't know that I've ever seen them deliberately underestimate costs. (The franchasie proposal review process ought to catch that). But they do seem to overestimate revenue that includes increases from enhancements to both infrastructure (shorter trip times) and new rolling stock. Not sure any of them got "help" in the sense we might mean it. Remember for the major franchises the usually is a payment to the govt. for the privilege of running the trains.

Just to put things into perspective here is a list of enhancements that the train operator (JREast and others in this case) to win the Midlands Franchise.

 

The new franchise runs from December 2017 until March 2026. ‘We will be investing nearly £1bn into the network, delivering new trains, better stations and a whole host of other benefits for passengers’, said Abellio UK Managing Director Dominic Booth. This will include:

  • 100 new coaches for Birmingham's Cross-City Line and 80 for the Snow Hill Line by 2021. Discussions are currently underway to select a supplier. The Cross-City Line would have 'metro style services' using high-capacity vehicles similar to those used on London Overground with wide doors and a focus on standing room. 
  • 225 new vehicles for London services by 2021, with others to be refurbished; 
  • 'Modern trains' for the St Albans Abbey line; 
  • An extra 20 000 extra rush-hour seats in Birmingham, and 10 000 extra seats and standing room for 5 000 more passengers in London; 
  • Various additional services, including on Sundays; 
  • Free wi-fi on all main line services by the end of 2019; 
  • Mobile and laptop charging points on all London services by May 2021; 
  • Smart ticketing with 'better value tickets for part-time workers', and smart cards for the Northampton - London and St Albans Abbey lines; 
  • Refunds of 25% for delays of more than 15 min, as well as the current 50% for 30 min and full refunds after 60 min; 
  • Improved services for passengers requiring assistance; 
  • Live capacity information via mobile devices; 
  • A closer partnership between the operator and infrastructure manager Network Rail; 
  • £70m investment in new and existing depots; 
  • £60m of station improvements including additional parking spaces for 1 000 cars and 2 500 bicycles, and a cycle hire scheme; 
  • 800 real-time information screens at 150 stations; 
  • Feasibility studies for new stations in the West Midlands.
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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:47 AM

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Trenitalia pulls out of bidding for a U.K. franchise. It tends to reinforce my feelings that the problem with the franchises is the process and conditions. I have been trying to articulate this in my U.K. situation write up. But having worked mostly on the infrastructure side my observations on the operators may be less spot on. I'll get it finished one of these days.

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/main-line/trenitalia-pulls-out-of-south-eastern-franchise-contest.html

 

Given the nature of GB, that sounds like another Herculean task for you. But I would like to read that if you undertake it.

Is it possible operators appear to underestimate costs or some deliberately makes low-ball bids, thinking they will get some 'help' later?

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Posted by Buslist on Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:47 AM

Trenitalia pulls out of bidding for a U.K. franchise. It tends to reinforce my feelings that the problem with the franchises is the process and conditions. I have been trying to articulate this in my U.K. situation write up. But having worked mostly on the infrastructure side my observations on the operators may be less spot on. I'll get it finished one of these days.

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/main-line/trenitalia-pulls-out-of-south-eastern-franchise-contest.html

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, August 7, 2017 9:17 PM

Gotthard base tunnel passenger traffic up 30% since opening to traffic.  Also freight traffic up but is restricted since other tunnel not complete.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/strong-start-for-gotthard-base-tunnel.html?channel=537

 

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Posted by schlimm on Friday, August 4, 2017 11:53 AM

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As I was saying, maybe there is something inherent in the UK that makes rail a struggle?

 

 

 

And the fact that SNCF was not broken up into more than 130 companies as was BR. That and its vertical disintegration has been minimal. I thought I read somewhere that the EU is not happy with them because of insufficient separation of infrastructure and operating companies. Open access seems to be almost nonexistent.

 

Note that just now the French are preparing to contract out some local services which the Brits have been doing for about 15 years and the Germans 5-10(?).

 

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/regions-prepare-for-market-opening.html

Working on a summary of my thoughts on the U.K. situation, will post in a day or 2.

 

 

I'm looking forward to it.  

German private operations are not just local but quite regional in scope in some cases. There are many and most seem well run.

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, August 4, 2017 12:39 AM

schlimm

As I was saying, maybe there is something inherent in the UK that makes rail a struggle?

 

And the fact that SNCF was not broken up into more than 130 companies as was BR. That and its vertical disintegration has been minimal. I thought I read somewhere that the EU is not happy with them because of insufficient separation of infrastructure and operating companies. Open access seems to be almost nonexistent.

 

Note that just now the French are preparing to contract out some local services which the Brits have been doing for about 15 years and the Germans 5-10(?).

 

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/regions-prepare-for-market-opening.html

Working on a summary of my thoughts on the U.K. situation, will post in a day or 2.

 

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, August 3, 2017 10:29 PM

As I was saying, maybe there is something inherent in the UK that makes rail a struggle?

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Posted by krtraveler on Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:56 PM
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Posted by Buslist on Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:32 PM

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Network Rail (the company that controls the tracks and infrastructure) is gov't controlled. It would have been better to split up BR back to the Big 4 railways (GWR,LMS,LNER,Southern)
 

 

"December 2013, the ONS announced that from September 2014, Network Rail will be classified as a "government body". This resulted in the company's debt of £34 billion being added to the national debt."

 

"Network Rail is effectively a subsidiary of the Government-controlled SRA."

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Posted by azrail on Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:48 PM
Network Rail (the company that controls the tracks and infrastructure) is gov't controlled. It would have been better to split up BR back to the Big 4 railways (GWR,LMS,LNER,Southern)
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Posted by Buslist on Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:09 PM

VOLKER LANDWEHR

 

 
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Since then National has totally exited the rail scene.

 

National Express operates commuter (regional) lines in Germany.
Regards, Volker

 

Correction, exited the U.K. rail scene with the sale of the C2C franchise.

In Europe its Germany only, with 2 active and 2 more to come on line in the future. They are also eyeing the Spanish market.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:51 AM

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Since then National has totally exited the rail scene.

National Express operates commuter (regional) lines in Germany.
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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:44 PM

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It now seems that Network Rail is admitting that progress might be better working with other entities.

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/track/network-rail-opens-door-to-private-sector-participation.html

 

Very interesting!  Is it possible the fault isn't whether public or private ownership, since it seems like neither has worked well in past or is working now, but that it is something inherent about the UK? Private operation franchising is not working so well for passenger trains, either.

Maybe time to return to British Rail?

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Posted by Buslist on Tuesday, August 1, 2017 12:42 PM

It now seems that Network Rail is admitting that progress might be better working with other entities.

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/track/network-rail-opens-door-to-private-sector-participation.html

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, July 28, 2017 11:35 AM

The East Coast Main Line franchise in the U.K. is in trouble again. It is beginning to look like it will fail for the third time. Last time National Express walked away from it turning it back to the government. Since then National has totally exited the rail scene.

In this case the franchise holder (Virgin Trains East Coast, Virgin 10%, Stagecoach 90%) over estimated their revenue. The losses are severely effecting  publicly held Stagecoach's financial performance. There is now a great deal of hand wringing trying to decide what's next. Options range from a complete renegotiation of the franchise to letting VTEC walk away from it.

One of the reasons cited for the revenue shortfall is Network Rail's inability to deliver route improvements to get the London Edinburgh journey time down sufficiently (I haven't followed this bit of activity to know anything about the why's and wherefores, only what's reported in the press), among other factors. It will be interesting to watch, this may require a shakeup of the whole U.K. franchise procedure/concept.

 

BTW with the exit of National Express there are now said to be more operators based outside the U.K. (DB, SNCF, MTR, Trenitalia etc.) than U.K. ones.

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Posted by Buslist on Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:14 PM

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I guess if you call knowledge bias. Actually what I'm doing is presenting facts not baseless speculation. Something coming from someone that critizes amatures making comments is your area of expertiese. Why are you so biased against facts? Making up excuses like Britexit and presenting them as if they are facts?

 

Just my opinion based on correspondence with several friends in the UK. But I will acquiesce to your knowledge base and look at the website you've mentioned.

 

You might want to look at this item, written for the non rail professional. Note last year's cost overruns by Network Rail are almost 1/2 as large as the entire Caltrain electrification.

 

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/rail-electrification-swansea-cardiff-been-13357575

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Posted by schlimm on Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:01 PM

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Posted by ORNHOO on Sunday, July 23, 2017 7:45 PM
Anybody interested in seeing a TGV "flying formation" with a Rafale fighter jet? http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/new-french-high-speed-train-gets-fighter-escort-for-som-1796755373
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Posted by schlimm on Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:20 PM

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I guess if you call knowledge bias. Actually what I'm doing is presenting facts not baseless speculation. Something coming from someone that critizes amatures making comments is your area of expertiese. Why are you so biased against facts? Making up excuses like Britexit and presenting them as if they are facts?

Just my opinion based on correspondence with several friends in the UK. But I will acquiesce to your knowledge base and look at the website you've mentioned.

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, July 21, 2017 5:28 PM

schlimm

 

 
Buslist

 

 
schlimm

 

 
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UK is putting on hold further expansion of electrification due to cost over runs and lack of supplies.  Also note that article states system is at capacity much of day.  That may be the reason that supplies are in short supply ?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news.html

 

 

 

 

 

Those delayed projects are now canceled. 

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/britain-cancels-major-electrification-projects.html 

 

Let's follow the U.K. model as some have suggested!

 

 

 

The UK cuts are part of continued austerity by the failing Theresa May government and a Brexit-damaged economy.

 

 

 

Has nothing to do with Network Rail's mismanagement and its inability to accurately estimate the costs, even to the point where that ability has been part of the question sessions in Parlement. Note the mention of cost overruns in the OP. This whole thing was falling apart long before the Brexit vote. 

Suggest you invest some time reading the official Journal of the UK's Railway Study Association. Espically Roger Ford's "informed sources" colum. 

 

 

 

Thank you, I will.  It also seems obvious that you have a very strong negative bias, based perhaps on your past history with the UK rail scene?

 

 

I guess if you call knowledge bias. Actually what I'm doing is presenting facts not baseless speculation. Something coming from someone that critizes amatures making comments is your area of expertiese. Why are you so biased against facts? Making up excuses like Britexit and presenting them as if they are facts?

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Posted by schlimm on Friday, July 21, 2017 3:15 PM

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UK is putting on hold further expansion of electrification due to cost over runs and lack of supplies.  Also note that article states system is at capacity much of day.  That may be the reason that supplies are in short supply ?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news.html

 

 

 

 

 

Those delayed projects are now canceled. 

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/britain-cancels-major-electrification-projects.html 

 

Let's follow the U.K. model as some have suggested!

 

 

 

The UK cuts are part of continued austerity by the failing Theresa May government and a Brexit-damaged economy.

 

 

 

Has nothing to do with Network Rail's mismanagement and its inability to accurately estimate the costs, even to the point where that ability has been part of the question sessions in Parlement. Note the mention of cost overruns in the OP. This whole thing was falling apart long before the Brexit vote. 

Suggest you invest some time reading the official Journal of the UK's Railway Study Association. Espically Roger Ford's "informed sources" colum. 

 

Thank you, I will.  It also seems obvious that you have a very strong negative bias, based perhaps on your past history with the UK rail scene?

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, July 21, 2017 12:16 AM

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UK is putting on hold further expansion of electrification due to cost over runs and lack of supplies.  Also note that article states system is at capacity much of day.  That may be the reason that supplies are in short supply ?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news.html

 

 

 

 

 

Those delayed projects are now canceled. 

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/britain-cancels-major-electrification-projects.html 

 

Let's follow the U.K. model as some have suggested!

 

 

 

The UK cuts are part of continued austerity by the failing Theresa May government and a Brexit-damaged economy.

 

Has nothing to do with Network Rail's mismanagement and its inability to accurately estimate the costs, even to the point where that ability has been part of the question sessions in Parlement. Note the mention of cost overruns in the OP. This whole thing was falling apart long before the Brexit vote. 

Suggest you invest some time reading the official Journal of the UK's Railway Study Association. Espically Roger Ford's "informed sources" colum. 

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:29 PM

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blue streak 1

UK is putting on hold further expansion of electrification due to cost over runs and lack of supplies.  Also note that article states system is at capacity much of day.  That may be the reason that supplies are in short supply ?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news.html

 

 

 

 

 

Those delayed projects are now canceled. 

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/britain-cancels-major-electrification-projects.html 

 

Let's follow the U.K. model as some have suggested!

 

The UK cuts are part of continued austerity by the failing Theresa May government and a Brexit-damaged economy.

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Posted by Buslist on Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:12 PM

blue streak 1

UK is putting on hold further expansion of electrification due to cost over runs and lack of supplies.  Also note that article states system is at capacity much of day.  That may be the reason that supplies are in short supply ?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news.html

 

 

 

Those delayed projects are now canceled. 

http://m.railjournal.com/index.php/europe/britain-cancels-major-electrification-projects.html 

 

Let's follow the U.K. model as some have suggested!

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Posted by MidlandMike on Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:37 PM

According to the article, Isreal plans to spend over $34 billion ( @ 1 shekel = .28 US$ )

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:04 AM

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Haifa funicular reported to have been closed due to fire.  DAVE  ? ?

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Shalom, David
 
There was a fire 2 months ago--it burn't up several carriages and some of the stations.
The Carmelit is shut down--till they fix it--about 2 years!
They will also renovate the whole system , over the 2 years.
 
The fire was probably from an electrical fault........
 
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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:52 AM

 Still checking, meanwhile:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:03 AM, Steve Sattler <sattler31@gmail.com> wrote:
 Before WW1, the Ottoman Empire, in order to compete with the French 1898 J&J railway :: Jaffa to Jerusalem  -planned to build a railway from the North [Damascus, Constantinople and Allepo, and connections from Germany] through Afula, across the hills of the Shomron to Jerusalem.  Meanwhile a pilgrim and military railway [1300 kms long] from Damascus to Medina [but didn't get to Mecca] was running up/down East Palestine[through Derra and Amman]. This essential railway was also connected to Haifa port through Afula. [We call this section:The Emek line--it is alive today]
Sections of the line were finished through to Nablus and a little further south.
         When  WW1 broke out and Turkish Military Pashas {Generals} needed a good railway line for their 4th, 7th [The Yildrim {lightening} good quality very mobile force] and 8th Armies to get South quickly. They quickly re-routed the tracks from South of Nablus   to Tulkarim and then South to BeerSheva. If fact their master plan to attack and neutralize the [British] Suez Canal-in their three thrusts at the canal [1915/1916]  from Gaza and ElArish ---were failures because their railway service from Afula was incomplete. Their armies had to march from the Gallil/Afula past Gaza, The Sinia and then fight at the canal.  Tired, and hungry soilders do not fight well!
        So, from over 1914,1915+,  1918 and then the British 20s -in West Palestine  there are left-over tracks across/near/into The Shomron. Some of these tracks lead to stone quarries, some to small stations, and some were simple and temporary lines for logistical support for the EEF troops in that big [and unique and very successful] push of September/October 1918!   {those 300+ kilometer Australians--The DMC}
 
The Shmoron area today is a mixture of Israel Military, Jewish settlement populations, Arab villages, Palestanian Authority areas and many historic sites  over-laid by new roads, fences and closed-off areas.
Sybil {of beth Shemesh} and Hans-Henrik {A Danish explorer} took their lives into their hands and went out to find traces of these lost railways in 1999.
Their article is interesting reading.
 Steve Sattler
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