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Brightline West - Rancho Cucamonga -> Las Vegas

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Brightline West - Rancho Cucamonga -> Las Vegas
Posted by rdamon on Friday, May 19, 2023 6:55 PM

Wonder what the odds are on who will have a operating train first?

Brightline or CA HSR?

 

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, May 19, 2023 9:57 PM

Seeing as how the CAHSR is under construction, and Brightline West has not turned over a spadeful of dirt or lined up finance, my guess is that CA will have a train operating in at least the Central Valley first.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, May 20, 2023 3:04 AM

rdamon
Wonder what the odds are on who will have a operating train first? Brightline or CA HSR?

More importantly I wonder what Amtrak will tell Congress when Brightline has 2-3 successful high speed corridors up and running built at a small fraction of the cost spent on Amtrak since 1971 and Amtrak is still struggling to make one corridor self sustaining.    Whats the explanation going to be then to get more funding?    

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Posted by Gramp on Saturday, May 20, 2023 9:38 AM

CMStPnP

 

 
rdamon
Wonder what the odds are on who will have a operating train first? Brightline or CA HSR?

 

More importantly I wonder what Amtrak will tell Congress when Brightline has 2-3 successful high speed corridors up and running built at a small fraction of the cost spent on Amtrak since 1971 and Amtrak is still struggling to make one corridor self sustaining.    Whats the explanation going to be then to get more funding?    

 

To minimize Brightline.  Machiavelli 101

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 20, 2023 9:47 AM

CMStPnP
More importantly I wonder what Amtrak will tell Congress when Brightline has 2-3 successful high speed corridors up and running built at a small fraction of the cost spent on Amtrak since 1971 and Amtrak is still struggling to make one corridor self sustaining.    Whats the explanation going to be then to get more funding?    

*If*.  Who knows if all those lines will ever happen. 

  

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, May 20, 2023 12:04 PM

I'm happy to see the new train being engineered and constructed by invested money not controlled by the state government.  That being said, I don't know how much of the money for this will come from government grants.

I won't bet on the first train running since the high speed rail system has such a head start.  I would bet on which will be finished first, though.  Since Brightline will be building through such sparse territory and following the Interstate, it won't involve the tunnels and land acquisition issues that the HSR system must overcome,  and I will bet that it will be finished years before the HSR system is complete.

One issue I wonder about is Brightline's plan to use emissions-free electricity before 2045.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 20, 2023 5:51 PM

York1
One issue I wonder about is Brightline's plan to use emissions-free electricity before 2045.

Hasn't CARB now come out with a proposed zero-emissions deadline of 2030 for passenger and 2035 for freight?

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 20, 2023 6:33 PM

Overmod
Hasn't CARB now come out with a proposed zero-emissions deadline of 2030 for passenger and 2035 for freight?

Do those requirements apply to interurbans? 

  

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Posted by rdamon on Saturday, May 20, 2023 9:48 PM

zugmann

 

 
Overmod
Hasn't CARB now come out with a proposed zero-emissions deadline of 2030 for passenger and 2035 for freight?

 

Do those requirements apply to interurbans? 

 

If the trainsets are electric isn't that zero-E?  I think Brightline was talking about their source of the power, a subject usually glossed over.

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Posted by Gramp on Sunday, May 21, 2023 1:05 AM

I just read an article saying Brightline aims to be operating by 2028. In time for the Olympics. If that were to occur that would be like Japan in 1964 With the Bullet Train. 

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Posted by Jim200 on Thursday, June 1, 2023 12:26 AM

Wes Edens, chairmen of Brightline, and Mike Reinigner CEO, are ready to endure the slings and arrows and start building Brightline West later this year. The 218 mile line from Rancho Cucamonga to Las Vegas is estimated to cost about $12 billion, of which they have previously lined up $4.2 billion in bonds and are trying to get a FRA grant of $3.75 billion. They have spent about $600 million in planning etc for the the route. 

50 million people travel from LA to Las Vegas, with 85% traveling by car. Going in the median of I-15 will allow the train to go 186 mph in one stretch, but most of time will be slower due to the vagaries of the interstate. They hope to take about 3 million cars off the interstate, and of course, make a lot of money at their various station real estate complexes. They also see several other 200 - 300 mile city pairs that look interesting for the future.

The last time I drove I-15 in the summer, my van overheated, and there were a car or two that caught on fire at the high elevation near the Nevada border.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2023/04/25/the-greenest-bullet-train-in-the-world-wes-edens-wants-to-kickstart-us-high-speed-rail-with-a-vegas-la-line/?sh=51e2f800630b

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2023/05/25/the-us-is-preparing-to-put-billions-into-high-speed-rail/?sh=424f05e65e3b

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Posted by J. Bishop on Friday, June 2, 2023 9:32 PM

I'd like to see the allignment between Rancho Cucamonga and Victorville. Whether it follows the UP/BNSF allignment or the freeway, and about acquisition of property for that segment. 

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