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NTSB opens docket for Amtrak derailment on BNSF

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NTSB opens docket for Amtrak derailment on BNSF
Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:06 AM

I could not scroll to find one of the relevant threads to update.    I encourage those with proper browser support to paste the link there.

Here is the page with the released docket information, which contains over 3100 pages of data concerning the accident.

https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/?NTSBNumber=RRD21MR017

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 12:58 PM

Thirty one hundred pages of data?  I might have looked at this report with interest but it they can't get to the point quickly or put out at least a Cliff's Notes edition forget it, I've got better things to do.

As Abe Lincoln once put it:

"When I send a man to inspect a horse I'm thinking of buying I just want to know the points, not how many hairs are in the mane and tail!"

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:42 PM

One reason for the large number of pages is that there are numerous documents filed in that docket that serve merely as background data for the route where this occurred. Stuff like train counts, tonnage, track charts, employee timetable, etc.

Other documents deal with conditions of the track, wheels, PTC, etc., at the time of the accident.

If anyone chooses to read through just a handful of the documents, I highly recommend the crew member interviews. Go here, and scroll down to items 99 thru 102:

https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/?NTSBNumber=RRD21MR017

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 10:10 PM

Overmod
I could not scroll to find one of the relevant threads to update.    I encourage those with proper browser support to paste the link there.

Here is the page with the released docket information, which contains over 3100 pages of data concerning the accident.

https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/?NTSBNumber=RRD21MR017

If you can't impress them with your brilliance, baffle them with your BS - in mass quantities.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 10:27 PM

Page 11 of On Board Image Recorder is critical

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Posted by JoanneWhang on Monday, April 17, 2023 2:55 PM

Thanks for the link :)

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Posted by RexHenderson on Monday, May 15, 2023 5:28 AM

ok thanks :)

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, July 31, 2023 11:22 AM

NTSB announced cause was a progressive misalignment of track.  The images from each of the various trains that proceeded #7 + #7 detected that fault.  Have to wonder if the camera images could be programmed to alert that a misalignment was in the track ahead?  

Maybe newer cameras with higher resolution would be needed?  If this is possible maybe an earlier train would have noted the progressive misalignment?

 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 3:06 PM

The major point of the NTSB report was that it was not the progressing lateral shift alone that was the cause of the accident.  Rail wear at joints sufficient to cause sharp flange strike was a major factor, as appears to be subsidence in the subgrade around the point of the accident (the latter surviving the substantial BNSF regrading and rebuilding with CWR).

https://www.railwayage.com/regulatory/ntsb-poor-track-conditions-led-to-2021-empire-builder-derailment/

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, August 5, 2023 10:13 PM

It appears to me that 3 people died because of BNSF's inadequate track maintenance.

NTSB suggested that they might try to do better.

Wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

 

 

Ed

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